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Is there a book or any kind of litterature on fiddle cranning.
Being a classical player it is a new concept……..
Thanks

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Ptarmigan, I here by vote you the numero uno p*ss taker on this site. Please keep it up because it is such a breath of fresh
air. Mind you, Dow comes in a very close second. It’s hard to beat good Aussie dry humour, but Ptarmy my boy, you do yourself proud. Please keep it up as your comments are an essentual part of my enjoyment of this site, as are your’s Dow. We must have a session sometime. Are you going to Gundagi?

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The above was a question for Dow.

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Well Don, - "It’s hard to beat good Aussie dry humour" - but surely everything is pretty << ‘dry’ >> over there in Oz!

On the other hand, there is certainly plenty of "fresh air" up here on the North Antrim coast!

…oh & thanks for the Vote by the way, but I think you’ve got me all wrong mate - you see all my posts here are really, really serious ……………………………………..:-D

Hey, have a great time at Gundagai:
http://www.turningwave.org.au/Performers.htm

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I know mate. I’ve always treated everything you say with the utmost respect. You really need to lighten up sometimes and have a bit of a laugh.

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Och, aye, tis grrreat foon when Ptarmy trivializes every thread. Thas what keeps me reading here…..

(Sigh)

Amilia, it might help if you clarify what you mean by cranning on fiddle. Rolls, bowed triplets, or the open-string roll that actually mimics a piper’s crann? Or all of the above?

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Ouch!

Sorry whoosis. I just found it interesting to speculate on the possibility that we might have someone here, by the name of Crann, who could give advice on the playing of this form of ornamentation. Just my warped imagination I guess!

Only managed to find a ‘Crannog’ so far.

Incidentally, I’d add this ‘Fiddle Ornamentation’ thread to that list:
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/2934/
& this article:
http://www.irishfiddle.com/article_on_styles1.html

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To thedon - not sure - hadn’t really thought about it, but will think about it now. Well actually I won’t because I’m so completely utterly slaughtered I can hardly ecen see the screen so no, I’ll have to think later n the week. I won’t. But yes, I will. As in, yes, I will see if it’s possible to go to Gundagai. Where is Gundagai? And where is it on? I’ll have o book time off work. Oh, headache…

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That made no sense whatsoever I’m sio sorry

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I think the record is 74 in a phone booth and 219 in a Volkswagen Beetle. No, wait, that’s fiddle *cramming*. Sorry.

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Easy to get to Gundagai Dow.
Take the track winding back to an old-fashioned shack, then straight past Lazy Harry’s (or not - for beer to knock you sideways, and girls to make you cry, you should camp at Lazy Harry’s on the road to Gundagai) just nine miles out, then past the dog on the tuckerbox five miles from Gundagai and eventually you’ll arrive where the blue gums are growing and the Murrumbidgee’s flowing beneath the sunny sky.
Do say hello to my Mabel there. I think she’s bonzer, and she reckons I’m good-o. She’s such a trimmer that I’ve entered her for the local show.

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Anyone else find this thread a little sad, like trying to start a set of tunes at your sesh, but a couple of McLouds at the bar launch into Barry Manilow songs instead?

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Too late pT. I was trying to teach that very song to some players at Stonehaven the other week.
whoosis right - it’s just sad

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Hi Bren
When are you coming down under again? - we’ve got another Donmo Mandolin at our session now.
Now how do you Cran on a Mandolin?
On : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cran
Noun 1. cran - a capacity unit used for measuring fresh herring

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Sorry for my part in this wandering off topic. I was blind when I posted so I probably didn’t notice the title of the thread…

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As if we couldn’t tell Dow, but I’m saying nout. Amilia is looking for serious info on cranning. Now would that be something you do with your neck when you’re being a stickybeak?

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"stickybeak
verb - to stick your nose into other people’s affairs
Oh! Don’t mind me, I’m just stickybeaking."

The things you learn on this site ……….. must admit, that was a new one on me!

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You can cran on a mandolin Donough but you can’t cran berry well. At least with a louder mandolin you can combine legato effects such as hammer-ons/pull-offs without them being inaudible. Though pulling off in a public place might raise eyebrows.

I expect to be in Sandgroper City about 3rd week Aug. Who has got the Donmo? Two of them at once is a scary prospect.

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Thank goodness for threads like this—the next time I want to learn to speak Australian, trace someone else’s family tree, or check how many fiddles I can fit into a certain model of car—or all of the above—I’ll simply start a thread on some minor aspect of IRISH TRADITIONAL MUSIC. Better than google and wikipedia combined.

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Gawd, I am so slow, of course it is craning your neck, not cranning it. Sorry. Slinks back into lurkdom ….

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I was just looking at the previous discussions referenced above and thinking about how limited my fiddle ornamentation skills are. I actually think my cran (multiple cuts) has gotten weaker, but it occurs to me that it might have something to do with the string action. The strings have slowly sunk down at both the nut and bridge. Would that tend to take the snap out of a cut? It could also be that I’m so far out of practice, my current priorities being –

1. Guitar
2. Job
3. Singing
4. Fiddle

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That’s been my experience, Bob. The lower the action, the harder it is to attack with the lefthand fingers. One of my fiddles is overdue for a nut replacement (the piece of ebony up by the peghead, as opposed to the type of nut replacement I might advocate for this thread :o) ) because the E string is so low to the fingerboard.

Lower action also tends to decrease overall volume, which can make cuts and other fingers sound weaker even if your technique stays the same.

On the other hand, too high an action and I feel like the strings are less responsive to cuts, etc. As always, you have to find a happy medium, what works for you.

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A related question:

My bowed triplet is so weak I rarely use it. I’ll admit I don’t practice it very much, but I’ve always suspected that my dry/hard/light rosin has something to do with it. I’m also a rosin minimalist. Very little accumulates on my strings and none at all on the fiddle top. Does this mean I’ll never have a decent “scratchy” triplet?

Does Tommy Peoples depend on a lot rosin or a very “grabby” rosin for those amazing percussive triplets?

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I like to thank somebody name Will. I tried to answer to the e-mail but wrong e-mail. Not to worry I am enjoying reading the conversations going on even if cranning is not the thread. It is like being in a bar where to much beer is served!!! New experience for a classical.!!!!

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Amelia,

Glad to hear you took the hijinks in stride. You’ll do well here! Will/whoosis is a good guy, and very knowledgeable - and willing (ha! pun) to share his knowledge. To continue this discussion of fiddle ornamentation:

Quarter-note short rolls

I don’t do them. Can’t do them to satisfaction. I substitute scratchy bowed triplets, lead-in grace notes {c}B, flick/cuts {Bc}B – terms aren’t right, but maybe you get the idea. When I try to force the entire long roll {BcBA}B as for a dotted quarter-note into a quarter note time it never feels completely right. I’ll keep working on it. This sure isn’t the first thing in this music to not intuitively come to me immediately! Will’s analogy to the locomotive/train cars helps, I think. I’ve tried lengthening the base note at the beginning, or at the end, and neither feels completely right. Too rushed. Doesn’t sound like what I hear it should be in my head, or in the playing of my favorite players. I just haven’t gotten that satisfying “aha!” that comes from a nice twiddley bit. Especially at speed.

I’ve come across mentions of a short roll as being four notes: a long roll with the initial “base” note missing ie. {cBA}B. This technique usually seems to be mentioned in connection with flutes and whistles, and it works nicely, almost like 16th notes. But I wonder if I’m not cheating, or at least short changing myself. Is this just settling?

I guess the point of my post, besides trying to articulate a current frustration, is to point out that some of the techniques require a lot of practice. With your experience and classical background you probably undestand that as a given, and some of it will probably come easier for you than me.

It’s a different style and instrument, but I like the sentiment: In Earl Scruggs’ banjo instruction book he lays out a technique and brackets the bars with repeat signs. And above the measures he’s got a little note : x1000. I think he’s a little optimistic.

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whoops. sorry "amilia"

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Hey Amilia, welcome back!

Yeah, sorry this thread went round the houses to get where it was going, my fault entirely I’m afraid!
However, you’ll find that threads often go pear shaped here, but if your patient, you’ll find they usually get where they’re going, ………………………………….eventually.

Many folks treat this mustard page like a laboratory, classroom or library, while others, myself included, like to think of it more as an online session, where you can learn but have some fun at the same time, & I guess sometimes, your right, too much drink is taken.
However, when things get ‘really’ out of hand, our great provider, Jeremy, is always on hand to rap a few knuckles!

Good luck with your cranning.
I hope you enjoy your visits to this site.
I’m sure you’ll learn loads …… & hopefully enjoy the crack too!

P.S. "but wrong e-mail" Try replying to whoosis.

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[Rant alert: stop reading now if you’re easiuly offended.]

Ptarmy, I think *most* of us log in here thinking of it as a virtual pub or online session—as much for the crack (http://www.cocaine.org/) as the tunes.

But just like in a real session (http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2006/CommMenu.HTM), a person can make themselves unwelcome (http://www.bartleby.com/62/24/U1642400.html) if they repeatedly hog the spotlight (http://www.prankplace.com/frog.htm click on the video demo below the frog), derail (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05032/450926.stm) tune sets, or barge (http://www.newsday.com/community/guide/lihistory/ny-history-hs9garb,0,6996774.story) into conversations just to change the topic (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066765/) or insist we all talk in pig latin (http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/animals/Pig_Takes_a_Spill_2/) (all in the name of "fun"). Their fun can ruin the fun other people are trying to have (http://www.bungeezone.com/pics/video1.shtml).

Jaysus (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/images/050127_pin_shroud.jpg&imgrefurl=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0127_050127_pin_shroud.html&h=461&w=323&sz=36&tbnid=A-hRCp5-9eE6fM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=87&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dshroud%2Bof%2Bturin&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2), those of us here who occasionally (rarely, even) engage in a little "serious" information exchange (http://www.collegeprowler.com/news_details.asp?article=62) aren’t dour librarians (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v class=”emoticon gasp”>=-OB2zb9-mLo&search=librarian)—for cat’s sake, I earned my living as a *clown* (http://www.scaryornot.com/) for 10 years (including a stint with Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey) (http://www.freetheflash.com/images/30.htm).


Amilia (http://www.markreubengallery.com/collectibles/large_html/earhart_lge.html), bless her heart, says she enjoyed the detour this thread took. Great. But bear (http://www.bear.org/images/GB_PhotoGallery4_05.jpg) in mind she’s new to the site. Those of us who’ve been hear a few years (http://www.nia.nih.gov/alzheimers) might have a tad less patience for the usual suspects (http://www.fotosearch.com/DGV484/1163002/) who apparently live to hijack (http://www.ehow.com/buy_3263_airline-ticket-cuba.html) threads.

I enjoy the free-association word play, random cross referencing, and links to the larger world as much as anyone, but there are places (threads) where it comes across as just plain interference. Where it’s as annoying as a drunken, arhythmic punter grabbing the goatskin from the bodhranista’s hands and "joing in" just as the fiddler gets in a groove on Jenny’s Welcome to Charlie.

So, go on, post links about deep-ocean fish, Himalayan tribal costumes, Moravian nose flutes, and roo tipping if it makes you happy. (Try doing a search on those last two for a taste of the crack we used to enjoy here.) But please consider—just consider—showing a little discretion and courtesy toward your session mates here, myself included, who once in a while would like to focus on Irish trad music without wading through a wikipedia jungle.

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What’s that got to do with cranning, Will? ;-)

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That’s right, Dow, rile him up a little more!

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Nah, I don’t want to have a fight with Will. I’d rather use this thread more constructively. How’s Megan getting on, Al?

:-)

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Phew, Will, you do have a lot of time on your hands today!

Will, you already said I had spoiled your enjoyment of this particular thread & as you know, for that I have already apologized to you in a private ‘e’, so I’m not quite sure what this additional, elongated vitriolic outburst is all about?

However, you must remember, there are other people who read these, & there have been, so far, 14 other non cran related posts to this thread, which leads me to suspect that I am not alone in my enjoyment of the slight deviation.
Witness the recent discussion on the origins of the Irish Bouzouki.
There were, so far, 43 posts to that thread and I think some others might perhaps agree that a number of interesting non-specific ‘Irish Bouzouki’ related subjects were touched on during that thread.

I personally don’t believe that each thread here has to stick anally to the specific topic, for information to be shared & enjoyed.
Perhaps I am alone in that view, I don’t know for sure, but I suspect not.
Surely there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Ultimately though, I believe only Jeremy has the right to dictate to any of us how we should behave on this page.

Once again I apologize if my style doesn’t agree with you, but surely nobody is forcing you to read my posts.
Might I suggest that you skim past them, I will not mind in the least, for that’s a strange notion you have that anyone could possibly be looking for ‘limelight’ here.
How long did you say you worked as a clown?
Perhaps your judgment is being clouded by that experience.

Thankfully, Amilia has graciously forgiven me, probably because she is already aware that nobody is perfect here!

In any case, all I can say is that I myself am fully aware that (if you can forgive another link):
http://home1.gte.net/deleyd/prose/aesop63.htm

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Apparently my own sense of humor is too viscous for you Ptarmy—you’ve missed it entirely. No vitriol in my post at all, and no complaints against your "style"—just a tongue-in-cheek plea for some small recognition that anything can be over done, or done in inappropriate places and times. You seem oblivious to that. Oh well. Seems the only people left here are those who actually find you funny—most of the old crowd turned out the lights and left long ago….

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While your boys are fighting I have been practicing my fiddle playing ( and left the classical for the moment) I changed the shape of my bridge got my strings a little higter, try new strings and I ‘m high!!! Just trying new things with NO rules, no stuffy professor, just me, my band when we are lucky enough to get together and this site. I am not done reading everything but certainly between good laughs there is a lot to learn here
Thanks guys

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Ouch! ~ I stumbled in here the first time just to see if there was any actual cranning going on, but the first thing I saw was the one just above this, whoosis ~ "Apparently my own sense of humour is too vicous ~" "Viscous humour"? I quickly ran away and went elsewhere, but it was bothering me, eating at me all night and again today, well, only for short spells, but it was. I’ve had some pleasure from all parties concerned, but this was evident vitreol, not disquised humour or slagging banter, it was damned uncomfortable, the reason why I quickly went elsewhere, people I’d grown to like ~ but in a very strange state of mind, not one I’d call ‘communicative’. It just seemed wrong, like stepping on hot coals without having prepared beforehand for the fire walking.

I came back, and I’ve read it more thoroughly. I was glad to see connections made with the past threads, something I always welcome and appreciate, but I didn’t see that as an affront or telling anyone to stop discussing the topic. Then a number of people did that usual mad stream-of-insanity thing that sometimes happens here, maybe something about breathing too much digital air, not enough oxygen in it. Anyway, I’ve been guilty there, and I’ve even felt bad about it afterwards, poor Blas having suffered me in an odd mood more than once, but as you all know, she’s not alone, nore are my ‘odd moods’ rare. I was left a bit sort of tail-between-my-legs over this ~ damned, I’m one of those shights who does that sort of thing… (Yes, ask slainte ~ I h-a-v-e a t-a-i-l… Ask no more.)

Please guys, read ‘amilia’s’ paragraph above, many fine points:

"I’m high!!!" ~ Just trying new things with NO rules, no stuffy professor ~ I am not done reading everything but ~ between GOOD LAUGHS there is a lot to learn here ~ Thanks guys"

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ~ What more could you ask? Obviously some of you have had some rough moments lately and it is jumping like static from you to this digital realm. I hope the burn doesn’t last long and the wounds heal quickly…

Now I’ve got to go back and reread everything here and follow every link ~ now that I’ve gotten past the initial shock and disturbance…

~ a friend in the digital quagmire ~ ‘c’

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I hope you took a flask of hot tea up with you on your climb to the moral highground, ‘c’ :-D

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No, it is just amazing what modern anxiety medications do for you in softening your view of the world ~ everything looks pink in a "My Pony" sort of way. Then when you crash you’re suddenly back street fighting and it’s dirty. "CRASH ~ TINKLE" (the sound of the whiskey bottle being smashed so that the jagged edges are showing. "Alright you little sh*t, you want to change the subject of this thread ~ I’m gonna gut you till you squeal like a fekin’ set of uilleann pipes." He slides along the p*ss and vomit layered floor, moving menacingly toward the mouthy little prick in the baseball cap. "You wanna play baseball do yuh? First we need the bat and balls." He snears, bloody drool dripping from his split lip…

"When I’m done with you everything will come out flat and falsetto…"

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All anyone has to do to find the humor (much of it self-deprecating) in my post is click on the links. If that’s too much trouble, why do we bother posting here?

‘C’ I think your oatmeal won this morning’s stare down…..
:o)

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ANGST! Dearest friend…

I’ve never met you, at least I don’t think so, but I wish I was in your area just to partake of you publications ~ and a decent teacher for the fiddle… Do you do repairs too? I did a bodge job on the pegs, trying to make them too artsy, now the necks are too thin and on the rebushing I got carried away with conversation, go figure, and rereamed them in a less than perfect way… Keeping it in tune is a bitch…

About the links, wouldn’t you know it, I clicked on EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM ~ AND I’VE GOT A SPLITTING HEADACHE!!! Sorry, I just realized I was shouting, as if you were Japanese or something… ;-) I think I’ll go take an aspirin now. I think you beat the record for the most links in a single com… I have this bad practice of reading everything someone I respect suggests ~ explanation for the headache and current anxious feeling… Damn you anyway, and damned Ptarm and Dow and all those other tossers… Hey, sorry, you do know what a ‘tosser’ is don’t you ~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/tosser
http://www.londonslang.com/db/w/
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tosser
http://www.guidenet.net/resources/tosser.html
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/25/alleged_subway_tosse.html
http://homokaasu.org/gasgames/game.gas?25

Basically, it is a ‘time waster’, but I guess that is a matter of opinion, who’s time is wasted. It is also sometimes referred to as ‘self-pleasuring’. Who could deny a person a little pleasure, eh?

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Damn the morality police ~ I forgot, ‘tosser’, well, replace all the following bits with w-a-n-k-e-r…

~ Except the fifth, which is without the ‘r’, so should read ~
/alleged_subway_w-a-n-k-e.html (remove hyphens…)

That kind of puts a different ‘slant’ on "taking the fifth"…

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LOL, well I hope you at least enjoyed the pic of the elephant’s caretaker, a job I was once familiar with….

Peg reams are easy to futz up—I finally quit doing most of my own repair jobs, realizing there’s not enough time to be mediocre at both playing and fixing. And true maker/player whiz kids like Gerry fiddle O’Connor are few and far between. I’m clearly not desitned to be one of them.

Tosser reminds me of a thread Conan once started about spilling pints, and someone suggested adding the category to the All Irelands—finally a competition I might stand a chance in. So, yes, I’ll wear "tosser" proudly. :o)

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Ok… who let the thread police in?

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"Ultimately though, I believe only Jeremy has the right to dictate to any of us how we should behave on this page."

Personally, I disagree. A society is not made up of one person’s dictates, even if one person "owns" it and I believe that everyone should be held to a (broad) standard of conduct by everyone else. Otherwise, that particular societal subset’s social behavior will rapidly run downhill into a morass of…well, behavior such as was displayed in this thread.

Admittedly, this means that a few people are going to feel like "they can’t be themselves," so it’s not a perfect solution. However, this is a situation that every society has found itself in at some point or other. Each one adapts or self-destructs.

What Jeremy has is the ability to edit and censure. It’s his board, and he can do as he likes with it, but only by edit and censure. Generally, he does this with a fairly light hand (in terms of numbers, that is). For the small bits, for the personal interaction, it is the expectations of other board members that sets the standard of behavior. This is standard across societies and communities within the Net at large.

Personally, I think the comment about clowns was uncalled for, rude, didn’t have a bit of humor in it, and I take the fact that it was said seriously. The same goes for the comment about thread police.

My area of study was in Computer Mediated Communications, by the way. None of this is particularly surprising in the life of a board, even if it is a little sad.

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Post CMC ~ all parties are now on another plane altogether…

Also true of a society of individuals sharing any passion ~ we all have our moments, and our highs and lows…

Right now I may sound relatively calm, but my eyes are on fire, my nose is running and I’m a bit tight chested. So, maybe it is the lack of oxygen that has mellowed me out?

Amilia who started this thread, bless her, is the best mediator we could have ever hoped for…

Huh? ~ ‘thread police’? Are they monitoring this? Are we being tapped? Are you wearing a wire Zina? I can’t believe that… I’d better go and hide… ;-)

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and, ON topic — Amilia, the best place to learn a cran from is a piper. :) Next best is a fluter. Pipers generally only cran on the low D. Fluters cran on more than that, but I haven’t the slightest about that one, so check with a fluter!

lol — "c", if I may call you by your first letter as Dowsie does, I’m *still* waiting on that chocolate fruitcake recipe…!

Anyway, you’re ill? Go lie down. Drink water. Get sleep. Do some jala neti in between. Get healthy. Why are you on the internet?!

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I think it’s better if we just stick to contributing content we think adds to the spirit of this Internet forum and not concern ourselves with any playful banter that we don’t have any personal interest in. Coming on and playing "thread police" is as disruptive, if not more disruptive. Lectures about how we should behave on Internet boards is dredfully boring.

If someone’s contribution is obviously insulting and or derogative towards other board members I have witnessed Jeremy taking appropriate actions. But we can’t expect him to cater to the invidual feelings of board participants who aren’t amused by another member’s light-hearted banter. If a person isn’t amused they can just skip those comments and address the points they do find interesting. Wouldn’t that be a lot easier?

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Boys-a-dear! This is looking more & more like one of those pointless brawls outside the school gates! Two lads end up getting tore into a bit of fittycuffs over some minor infringement of the rules.
So, do the other kids let them get on with it, & sort it out themselves? ………. Nooooooooo!
Before you know it, others are jumping in to help their mate - Oh, & isn’t there always someone waiting in the wings to take the moral high ground muttering tisk tisk under their breath, in the background, but happy to kick a fella when he’s down!

Come on folks let’s grow up here, eh?
I’ve already admitted that I took a step too far & have apologized, a number of times, to the ‘relevent parties’.
What?
You want me to send an apology to everyone here?
O.K., are you ‘ALL’ listening …………….. SORRY!
I may shoot myself at dawn! :-)

I realize that not everyone shares my odd sense of humour, & perhaps I can lay some of the blame for that at the door of Monty Python & Spike Milligan, who were huge influences on my humour as I grew up.
However, my comments are only ever meant to be humorous, never malicious, but perhaps I should add ye olde ‘smiley’ after each one, just in case!
But then of course, I’d end up with the ‘Smiley Police’ jumping up & down on my case, so it’s hard to win sometimes!

Is it just me too, or is there a certain irony in folks coming on to lambaste me for my misdeed in talking off topic, when they themselves are not sticking to the Cranning Topic themselves - with every post?

Why don’t we all just get back to business as usual, shall we?
If not for ourselves, then at least for Amilia’s sake!

Och, & thanks to anyone who may have wandered, however accidentally or misguidedly into my corner on this but, although it is comforting to know that not everyone is sending out a ‘Hit Man’ with my photo in their pocket, as I write, just be careful lads, less you find yourselves blackballed too! ( …….can you say that now in this PC world we live in?)

Anyway, I believe himself & meself have resolved this matter, so let’s just leave it that shall we …… pleeze! ….. & get back to cranning, or whatever else takes your fancy on another thread.

Perhaps this’ll help?

http://www.thesession.org/discussions/10737

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Yes! ~ comprende PB…

Damn, the recipe… Sorry Zina… I’m here sitting upright because it is actually easier than lying down. I’m not too bad, knock on wood, this year, but when you lie down the fluids make it harder to breath than sitting upright. So I am also working on the odd thing on the computer and inbetween bouts of madness taking breaks to see what’s happening here on TheSesh, and doing some work for Ptarmigan, of this thread, as well as helping a couple of people with their ABC’s, etc… I now have a craving for a chilled glass of blushed wine…which I would love to share with you two, but if it isn’t a chilled blush you’re wanting I can find something else. It is sweltering here at the moment. We’ve been breaking records for heat and the bodies of the folks on this isle are not acustomed to the changes. We also have a sharp rise in skin cancer too…the two being related…

Thanks for the clarity ephemeral tab tapper but we all know it will happen again…but your spirit is always appreciated, by me anyway… ;-) (No, I never expect the same in return…)

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If dear amelia is around ~ whistle players also like to cran and reed players are into it as well…but as Zina mentions, a lot of folk, concertina, whistle or whatever, try emulating the action on the pipes, and then carrying it to just about any note in one form or another, making the necessary adaptations to make them sound similar. Again, like any embellishment, the results are quite varied, so there is a lot of leeway for you to develop a distinct way, sound and style with the basics…it is your ears you need to please, with and education in the sounds suitable within the tradition ~ or beyond…

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WOW! ~ I missed that, we were obviously cross posting Ptarm and I didn’t reset things to see what was happening… You slipped right past me until now.

I too have a similar affliction of twisted humour…even my wife looks at me askance more often than laughing… :-/

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That must be understatement of thesession.org, 2006.

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Well, amilia, I must admit I’m a bit jealous.

When I first started posting here all I got was a cheery little welcome from Zina and a straightforward discussion.

Your thread, however, has been hijacked, ignited a flame war between two eminent posters, instigated some hand-wringing from a few other longstanding .orgers, inpired a new penetential thread, all in addition to at least a cursory answer to your original question. What’s next, an appearance from Jeremy himself?

Frankly, amilia (if that’s your real name), I’m not buying the “classical damsel in distress fluttering eyelash” bit. What are you up to? What’s your real agenda? WHO SENT YOU???!!

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I call I get to post the bit of drivel above because I contributed on topic, earlier. And Zina, I’m really truly honored that you welcomed me here. :-)

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Fidkid, I’m sending my little green buddies after you too. And I just hope you don’t wear a goofy hat like Dow does, they have special plans for that upside down squeezer…

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If he’s upside down — won’t his hat fall off? :-/

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He’s had it on so long it has grown into his scalp, or vice versa… I hear he sleeps with it on…

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Hey, I don’t know if Dow actually needs a Toupee, but if he is thinking of surgically removing that ‘ingrown hat’ & switching to a hair piece, I think he should first read this cautionary tail - check out the 2nd story on this page:

“Hairpiece From Hell!
Terrifying Toupee Gives Wearer The Vision Of The Damned!”

http://xo.typepad.com/blog/2003/10/weekly_world_ne.html

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PB wrote: "I think it’s better if we just stick to contributing content we think adds to the spirit of this Internet forum and not concern ourselves with any playful banter that we don’t have any personal interest in. Coming on and playing "thread police" is as disruptive, if not more disruptive. Lectures about how we should behave on Internet boards is dredfully boring."

LOL, I’m laughing so hard my eyes are leaking! Jack, did you really mean to give a one-sentence lecture on how we should behave here, followed by a two-line admonition not to do just that?!?! That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen here in ages!!! :o)

Frankly, I’m surprised by all the ant-noodlers who’ve come to the defense of this particular form of noodling, which causes the same sort of distraction and annoyance for some here that tooting-notes-but-not-starting-tunes-between-sets for causes others in their sessions.

Ptarmy—well said in your post above. Your next pint is on me.

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(Er, referencing the post way above, rather than the bit about hairpieces.)

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Yea, Will, we always love to see your "(sigh)" and "LOL" to know that you’re going to deliver your eloquent condescension about our ridiculous or disappointing contributions. In case you haven’t noticed — people have fun in this discussion forum sometimes. No one seems to be bothered by it until you show up and play thread police. I’ll never understand how a little harmless fun gets under your skin. Meanwhile, the real humor was in the fun banter that folks like Ptarm and "c" submit for a little craic in cyberspace. I’ll just keep enjoying that and try to ignore the pedantry thank you.

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I really object to the way both you and Will spell "humour" without the "u". I was having fun reading the posts on this thread till I spotted that.

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Hmmm…so Jack, when you write "in case you haven’t noticed…" is that supposed to be a helpful example of eloquent condescension of the sort we should avoid? Or are you suggesting we should do as you say, not as you do? All these nuances of etiqutte are soooo confusing….

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Easy guys, one fight per thread - please!

Ha Ha! I liked your link to Noodling there Will!
I assume that was an effort to hi-jack this thread & bring in the Noodle/Anti-Noodle debate once again, in a ‘defusionary’ (new word! :-)) sort of way? ;-)

However I believe that Noodling & Hi-Jacking are two very different forms of action.

Folks like myself usually throw in those wobblers in a very deliberate & calculating sort of way, whereas the ‘knuckle dragging’ noodler brigade, with the saliva dribbling from their gobs, don’t actually know any better.

In other words, on the one hand you have the Noodlers, who know not what they do, so are more to be pitied than scolded!
……. & on the other hand you have us ‘Hi-Jack Heroes’ (HURRAH! CHOCKS AWAY & THREE CHEERS FOR US!), who probably richly deserve all the scolding we get! :-D

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So it’s baseball after all eh? I’m taking outfield. Put Jin Buzzer on the plate and let Whooooooosis pitch, Ptarm on second and Dow on third ~ damn! ~ Who’s on first?

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No, What’s on second - To get back on topic: did you know there are two cabinet ministers in Australia called Abbot & Costello?

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I like it, but do they use cranning when playing the fiddle? ;-)

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You do know it was the Marx Brothers ~ and one of them did fiddle, and I mean the thing with strings and a bow…

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Abbott: "Goofè Dean. Well, let’s see, we have on the bags, Who’s on first, What’s on second, I Don’t Know is on third…" ~

I am very old fashioned I guess, I still love the ol’ stuff, and not just comedy… I guess even "Monty Python" is now ‘old school’?

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However, I suspect with the lineup above, made up of Sesh members, it would be quite funny. Will the pitcher try to hit the batter with a fast ball, and will the batter strike out on purpose just to keep them on base. If he strikes and it gets to outfield will the outfielder catch it and get them all out ~ or Will sneezing and short sightedness end up with him unconscious in the mud after being hit in the head with the ball? ~ will we ever know?

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I left the yellow board for a few days, and when I last saw it, this thread included a rather heated exchange, followed by both parties in the exchange seeming to back off and make amends somewhat. I had tried to inject some humor to defuse things, but when that did not help, backed out of the discussion. But was that the end? Unfortunately not. Like moths to a flame, more piled on. Even after Zina entered in to try to bring reason to the discussion (we miss you Zina), the debate continued.

I seem to remember a debating strategy called "reduction to absurdity," when you stretch the other guy’s point to the extent that it begins to sound foolish. I think we have reached that point, and gone beyond it (and then perhaps looped around so that we could go beyond it again).

Now, at the risk of the pot calling the kettle black (as my behavior on the board has not always been beyond reproach), I certainly think all of us should take it upon ourselves to police our own behavior , act as we would want others to act and that sort of thing—and to remember that, without body language or visual cues, it is far too easy to take offense in cyberspace. Some amount of kidding and rambling around topics and even slagging can be fun, but we need to recognize when we pass the point of appropriate behavior and back off.

Peace!

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You talkin’ to me? You talkin’ to me? Then who the hell else are you talkin’ to? You talkin’ to me? Well I’m the only one here.

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"Hey Bren", he taps him gently on the shoulder, "I’m still here too?" "No, don’t hit me, I’m with you, I think. Who let the school trip in here anyway, and principal Skinner? Hey, are you Al Brown the singer, with Verve Records? Damn, can I have you autograph? I didn’t know you also did Irish music? Would you sing "Danny Boy" for us, please?

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Uh oh, Bren, he said to ‘back off’. Are you still carrying a piece? Do you think he’s carrying?

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Incorrigible!
The whole lot of you!
Just incorrigible!
;-)

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Yes I’m carrying a piece. A fine piece to have with my tea. Are you feeling lucky?

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Mine’s a whiskey cake, but I think there’s enough to go around. I’ve got my flask too. Do you like Islay single malts? Let’s push some of these bodies aside, though I guess we could pull of a few like seats, and we’ll have a picnic in the ruins… Al, there a few plates over there that haven’t been broken yet, I’ll get some glasses…

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It’s nice to see y’all got back to having some fun. :-)

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I’m not a great fan of that peaty stuff, to me Laphraoig is like Listerine drunk from an ashtray, but seeing you’re pouring …

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