The Bucks Of Oranmore reel

Also known as The Box Will Hold No More, Buckets Of More And More, The Bucks Of Aranmore, The Bucks Of Arranmore, The Bucks Of Bohermore, The Bucks Of Clare, The Bucks Of Oran Mor, The Bucks, The Hearty Bucks Of Oranmore, The Hearty Bucks, The Trucks Of Bohermore.

There are 135 recordings of a tune by this name.

A tune by this name has been recorded together with The Wind That Shakes The Barley (lots of times), The Foxhunter’s (a few times), Rakish Paddy (a few times).

The Bucks Of Oranmore has been added to 1,292 tunebooks.

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Eight settings

X: 1
T: The Bucks Of Oranmore
R: reel
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
K: Dmaj
|A2FA A2dB|A2FA BEE2|A2FA A2Bd|egfd edBd|
A2FA A2dB|A2FA BEE2|DEFG AFAB|defd edBd||
|ADFD A2dB|ADFD BEE2|ADFD A2Bd|egfd edBd|
ADFD A2dB|ADFD BEE2|DEFG AFAB|defd efge||
|a2fd edef|a2fd ed B2|a2fd edef|gefd edB2|
a2fd edef|a2fd edB2|faaf bfaf|gefd edBd||
|f2df e2de|f2df edBd|f2df e2de|gefd edBd|
f2df e2de|f2df edBd|faaf bfaf|gefd edBd||
|Adfd edfd|Adfd edBd|Adfd edfd|gefd edBd|
Adfd edfd|Adfd edB2|faaf bfaf|gefd edBd||
ABC
X: 2
T: The Bucks Of Oranmore
R: reel
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
K: Dmaj
dB|{G}A2FA ~A2dB|~A2FA BE~E2|~A2FB ~A2B/c/d|ed{g}fd efdB|
~A2FA- ~A2dB|AzFA BE~E2|DE{F}ED ~A3B|dzfd efdB|
AD~D2 ADBD|AD~D2 BE~E2|AD~D2 ~A3B|dzfd efdB|
AD~D2 AD~D2|AD~D2 BE~E2|~D3F ~A3B|dzfd efdf||
Ja2{g}fd efdf|adfd edB/c/d|azfd ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
azfd efdf|adfd edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdf-||
~f2df efdf-|~f2df {f}edB/c/d|~f2df ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
fzdf efdf-|~f2df {f}edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdB||
Ad{g}fd ed{g}fd|Ad{g}fd edB/c/d|azfd ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
Ad{g}fd ed{g}fd|Ad{g}fd edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdB||
~A2FA- ~A2dB|~A2FA BE~E2|~A2FB AzB/c/d|gBfB eBdB|
~A2DA- ~A2DA-|~A2Fz BE~E2|DE{F}ED ~A3B|dzfd efdB|
AD~D2 ADBD|AD~D2 BE~E2|AD~D2 ~A3B|dzfd efdB|
AD~D2 ADBD|AD~D2 BE~E2|d2fd ~A3B|dzfd efdf||
Ja2fd efdf|ad{g}fd edB/c/d|azfd ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
~a2fd efdf|ad{g}fd edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdg||
~f2df efdf-|~f2df {f}edB/c/d|fzdf ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
~f2dz efdf-|~f2df {f}edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdB||
Ad{g}fd ed{g}fd|Ad{g}fd edB/c/d|azfd ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
Ad{g}fd ed{g}fd|Ad{g}fd edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdB||
~A2FA- ~A2dB|AzFA BE~E2|~A2FB ~A2B/c/d|gdfd efdB|
~A2FA- ~A2dB|~A2Fz BE~E2|DE{A}FD ~A3B|dzfd efdB|
AD~D2 ADBD|AD~D2 BE~E2|AD~D2 ~A3B|dzfd efdB|
AD~D2 AD~D2|AD~D2 BE~E2|dzfd ~A3B|defd efgb||
azfd efdf|adfd edB/c/d|~a2fd ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
azfd efdf|adfd edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdf-||
~f2df efdf-|~f2df {f}edB/c/d|~f2df ~e3f|gzfd edB/c/d|
~f2df efdf-|~f2df {f}edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdB||
Ad{g}fd ed{g}fd|Ad{g}fd edB/c/d|azfd ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
Ad{g}fd ed{g}fd|Ad{g}fd edB/c/d|fa~a2 ba{b}af|ea{g}fd efdB||A2.F.E D4||
ABC
X: 3
T: The Bucks Of Oranmore
R: reel
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
K: Dmaj
|A2FA A2dB|BAFA BGDF|A2FA AFB/2c/2d|e/2f/2gfd ecdB|
AFFF AFDF|ADFA BAFA|DEFD AAAB|defd ecdB||
|ADDD ADBD|ADDD BGEG|ADDD A2B/2c/2d|e/2f/2gfd ecdB|
ADDD ADBD|ADDD BGEG|DEFD AAAB|defd efgb||
|a2fd efdf|a2fd edA/2B/2d|fadf eAdf|f/2f/2efd edB/2c/2d|
fadf eAdf|aafd edB/2c/2d|faa/2a/2a agaf|gefd efde||
|efdf efde|f2df edB/2c/2d|efdf efde|gefd edBd|
fAdf eAde|fAdf edB/2c/2d|faaa bfaf|gefd efdB||
|Adfd edfd|Adfd edB/2c/2d|Adfd edef|fefd edB/2c/2d|
Adfd edfd|Adfd edB/2c/2d|faaa afaf|gefd efdB||
ABC
X: 4
T: The Bucks Of Oranmore
R: reel
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
K: Dmaj
|A2FA A2dB|BAFA BGDG|A2FA AAB/2c/2d|e/2f/2gfd ecdB|
AFFF AFDF|ADFA BAFA|DEFD AAAB|defd ecdB||
|ADDD ADBD|ADDD BGEG|ADDD A2B/2c/2d|e/2f/2gfd ecdB|
ADDD ADBD|ADDD BGEG|DEFD AAAB|defd efgb||
|a2fd efdf|a2fd edA/2B/2d|fadf eAdf|f/2f/2efd edB/2c/2d|
fadf eAdf|aafd edB/2c/2d|faa/2a/2a bgaf|gefd efde||
|efdf efde|f2df edB/2c/2d|efdf efde|gefd edBd|
fAdf eAde|fAdf edB/2c/2d|faaa bfaf|gefd efdB||
|Adfd edfd|Adfd edB/2c/2d|Adfd edef|fefd edB/2c/2d|
Adfd edfd|Adfd edB/2c/2d|faaa bfaf|gefd efdB||
ABC
X: 5
T: The Bucks Of Oranmore
R: reel
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
K: Dmaj
~A2FA ~A2FA|~A2FA Be~3|~A2DA ~A2AF|(3Bcd fd efdA|
~A2FA DAAD|AADA BEEe|DF~F2 ADFA|defd efdB|
ADED ADBD|~A2fA BEE2|DF~F2 ADFA|defd efge|
~a2fd eAde|~a2fd eB~B2|deaa fdef|geFd eAde|
~a2fd ed(3Bcd|eaaf ~g3a|fa~a2 bfaf|(3Bcd fd efde|
fedf efde|fedf ed(3Bcd|ef~f2 efde|fefd ed(3Bcd|
fd(3Bcd ed(3Bcd|effd ed(3Bcd|ea~a2 bgaf|(3Bcd fd efdB|
Adfd edfd|(3Bcd fd edBA|(3Bcd fded|effd efdB|
Adfd adfd|(3Bcd fd edBd|ea~a2 bgaf|defd efdB|
ABC
X: 6
T: The Bucks Of Oranmore
R: reel
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
K: Dmaj
|A2FA A2dB|A2FA BEE2|A2FA A2Bd|egfd edBd|
A2FA A2dB|A2FA BEE2|DEFG AFAB|defd ecdB||
|AD D2 ADBD|ADFA BEE2|AD D2 A2Bd|egfd edBd|
AD D2 ADBD|ADFA BEE2|DEFG AFAB|defd efge||
|a2fd edBd|Adfd edBd|a2fd edBd|egfd edBd|
a2fd edBd|Adfd edBd|faaf bfaf|defd edBd||
|fAdf eAde|fAdf edBd|fAdf eAdf|(3efg fd edBd|
fAdf eAde|fAdf edBd|faaf bfaf|defd edBd||
|Adfd edfd|Adfd edBd|Adfd edfd |egfd edBd|
Adfd edfd|Adfd edBd|faaf bfaf|defd edBd||
# Added by JACKB .
ABC
X: 7
T: The Bucks Of Oranmore
R: reel
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
K: Dmaj
| (3AcA FA A2dB | ADFA B~E3 |1 !trill!A2 FA AFAB | defd ecdB :|2 DEFG AFAB | defd ecdB |
|:A~D3 ADBD | A~D3 B~E3 |1 A~D3 AFAB | defd ecdB :|2 DEFG ~A3B | defd eddf |
|:~a2fd eddf | ~a2fd edBd | ~A2fd eddf | (3gfe fd edBd | Adfd edfd | Adfd edBd |
Adfd eddf | (3gfe fd edBd | (3fgf df (3ege d2 | (3fgf df eBB2 | f~a3 bfaf | defd ecdB |
ABC
X: 8
T: The Bucks Of Oranmore
R: reel
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
K: Dmaj
A2FA (3AAA dB|A2FA BE (3EEE|A2FA (3AAA Bd|egfd ed{e}dB|
A2FA (3AAA dB|A2FA BE (3EEE|DEFG AFAB|defd efdB|]
AD(3DDD ADBD|ADFA BE (3EEE|ADFA (3AAA Bd|egfd efdB|
AD (3DDD ADBD|ADFA BE (3EEE|DEFG AFAB|defd efge|]!
a2fd efdf|a2fd edBd|a2 fd edef|gefd edBd|
a2fd efdf|adfd edBd|faaa agfe|defd eaag|]
f2df efde|fedf edBd|fddd edef|gafg edBd|
f2df efde|fedf edBd|faaa agfe|defd efdB|]
Adfd edfd|Adfd edBd|Adfd edef|gefd edBd|
Adfd edfd|Adfd edBd|faaa agfe|defd AddB|]
ABC

Seventy-one comments

You’ll find that there are a lot of phrases that repeat themselves, such as the endings of the last three parts, and if you learn these phrases well enough at the start so that you can play them on autopilot, it will prove very useful when the tune is being played fast and fancy.

I like to try to imitate the pipes when playing this tune, so I triplets are my preferred form of ornamentation. The first A, for instance, can be played as a quick ABA. The high F at the start of the fourth part can be played as FGF. Experiment with different triplets to find ones that fit the flow of the tune.

Seamus Ennis does a wonderful version of this tune.

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About that version…Ennis switches the fourth and fifth parts of this tune. Only time I have ever heard it played that way, but because of the rhythmical similarities between the first and fourth parts it sounds pretty good.

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Aaaar the Bucks, the Bucks, the splendid Bucks. An absolute cracker of a tune and I pity anyone who thinks otherwise. It’s whole essence is the centre of diddley music. Listen to Matt Molly play it with such a delicate touch. Even Martin Hayes, who plays it with a kind of hornpipish bounce (urgh), can’t ruin it. But best of all is Finbar Fury, he taught me to play it doubles and what a wealth of opportunity making the tune twice as long brings. (But don’t be tempted to learn it from here, it’s all wrong, as usual. This version is way way to repetative)

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So why don’t you be constructive and transcribe it for us so we can all agree that your version is the right one?

The three I mentioned are all the same (exept for finbar’s doubles) so learn it off them, far better than abc. And if Matt, Martin and Finbar agree …

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Bucks in Boston

Boston seisiuneers have told me that this tune is the showstopper. No matter what time it is, when this tune comes up at a Boston seisiun, it’s time to go home. (And the reverse is true: you can’t go home until this tune is played!) This has sort of become de rigeur at my seisiun as well (Nanny O’Brien’s in DC).

I started up this tune at a sesh recently and someone leaned over and said, "Already?"

the best version of this tune i’ve heard was by Paddy Keenan. It was in a live set with Tony Cuffe on the guitar. It was in Québec ccity, Canada maybe ten years ago.I understand now why he ‘s called the Jimi Hendrix of the pipes.

The Bucks

I’ve only heard Seamus Ennis’s version of this tune and it’s amazing. I’ve never heard any other rythmic flow in ITM even close to Ennis’s version. It sounds like jazz from the 1930’s or 40’s.

The Bucks of Oranmore

I’ve only heard Seamus Ennis’s version of this tune and it’s amazing. I’ve never heard the rythmic flow Ennis uses when playing this piece anywhere else in ITM. It sounds like jazz from the 1930’s or 40’s.

Mick Coyne’s setting gives new life to a cliche, IMHO

I was so tired of the bucks. It’s such a cliche. Sort of like the Sally Gardens became with the whole ceili band movement, which caused that beautiful tune to be shunned for decades.

And I didn’t have a good setting of it for my pipes, which might have dampened my enthusiasm for the tune. But I’ve just heard Mick Coyne’s setting of it, on his website (mickcoyne.com), and it is really incredible. I can’t say that it’s better than Ennis’s, Furey’s, or Keenan’s version, but it has revitalised my interest in what I consider an over-worked tune. It’s got the energy and flow of the latter two, with the control and tightness of the Old Man. It’s like he found an old coin in a drawer, and polished it up till it shines like new.

Highly recommend LISTENING to Coyne’s setting (and for all I know, it’s similar to the others): ABC notation is great, but it’s really only mnemonic - it’s too laborious to attempt to write down this setting (though I may try some day, in which case I’ll drop it in here). You have to HEAR it, first with your ears, and then with your mind.

I always wondered is this a five part tune or are they variations

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Something to go after it?

It’s a hard one to follow this one, isn’t it? It’s a good tune to end a set with, or a night of tunes, but it’s also good as the first tune of the set, and you really have to find another big reel to go with it. The only common one I can think of that would give you a nice key change and lift is maybe the Foxhunter’s in A.

I don’t believe that Dow!
You know far more tunes than that….

Joe Cooley

I prefer Joe Cooleys laying of this tune.
He keeps it Simples and puts heart into it.

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No matter how many times it’s played it’s still a mighty tune! Someone started it last night in the new Kilrush Teach Cheoil as a finishing tune and everyone of the 20 plus musicians present joined in with gusto as was also the case when it went into the Foxhunters in the more common key of "G".

I lived down in Dingle for about 5yrs and this tune followed by the foxhunter’s was like the national anthem was on U.K. tv. 30yrs ago..time to go to bed! Seriously, at least 40% of sessions i heard or sat in down there ended with these 2 tunes in a set.Like the Kerry anthem or something. Oh and sometimes they do the Foxhunter in G and then take it up to A, so it’s almost like set of 3.Great stuff.

i love matt molloy’s version…

I love Paddy Keenan’s rendition

If you must follow it with the foxhhunters, make it the foxhunters in G, not A.

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Matt Molloy’s transcription

I would like to ask the special favour for someone (whoever has the skills) to transcribe (more or less) the way Matt Molloy plays this tune.

The video, as already posted here, is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHcDY76a_eY


Thanks very much!

This is as close as I can get. Problem is, each time I listen to it I hear more and more detail in his ornamentation. Not being a flutist myself, I’m not altogether sure what he’s doing with his crans, but I’d guess they’re his classic 3-cut ones. Also some of his cuts are so short it’s impossible to tell what fingers he’s using to grace with, e.g. {a} or {g}. Once you start trying to transcribe all the grace notes of those, the whole exercise becomes ridiculous. What I’ve posted below is simply some of the notes of what he’s playing. If you want to try and play it in a similar style, you’re going to have to listen hard for all the other stuff like when he’s tonguing, overblowing, altering his airflow in subtle ways, etc. It’s basically impossible to transcribe what he’s doing in any kind of notation. The most important thing about his playing is his rhythm, which is so tight it makes you think he’s playing slower than he actually is. In actual fact towards the end he’s well over 120bpm. Most trad musicians would have a hard time trying to keep up with him, let alone make it sound good at that speed.

I think what I’m trying to say, cesarpim, is, if you can’t hear what he’s doing (well enough to transcribe it) then even if you play the transcription I’ve written out below, you’re still not going to be able to get anywhere close to the real thing. I’d almost say it’s a complete waste of time trying to transcribe it, but I learnt quite a lot from it, since it made me listen closer to what he’s doing with ornamentation/variations etc, without just letting it float past me. Anyway, FWIW:

X: 1
T: The Bucks Of Oranmore
S: As played by Matt Molloy on YouTube
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
R: reel
K: Dmaj
dB|{G}A2FA ~A2dB|~A2FA BE~E2|~A2FB ~A2B/c/d|ed{g}fd efdB|
~A2FA- ~A2dB|AzFA BE~E2|DE{F}ED ~A3B|dzfd efdB|
AD~D2 ADBD|AD~D2 BE~E2|AD~D2 ~A3B|dzfd efdB|
AD~D2 AD~D2|AD~D2 BE~E2|~D3F ~A3B|dzfd efdf||
Ja2{g}fd efdf|adfd edB/c/d|azfd ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
azfd efdf|adfd edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdf-||
~f2df efdf-|~f2df {f}edB/c/d|~f2df ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
fzdf efdf-|~f2df {f}edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdB||
Ad{g}fd ed{g}fd|Ad{g}fd edB/c/d|azfd ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
Ad{g}fd ed{g}fd|Ad{g}fd edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdB||
~A2FA- ~A2dB|~A2FA BE~E2|~A2FB AzB/c/d|gBfB eBdB|
~A2DA- ~A2DA-|~A2Fz BE~E2|DE{F}ED ~A3B|dzfd efdB|
AD~D2 ADBD|AD~D2 BE~E2|AD~D2 ~A3B|dzfd efdB|
AD~D2 ADBD|AD~D2 BE~E2|d2fd ~A3B|dzfd efdf||
Ja2fd efdf|ad{g}fd edB/c/d|azfd ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
~a2fd efdf|ad{g}fd edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdg||
~f2df efdf-|~f2df {f}edB/c/d|fzdf ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
~f2dz efdf-|~f2df {f}edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdB||
Ad{g}fd ed{g}fd|Ad{g}fd edB/c/d|azfd ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
Ad{g}fd ed{g}fd|Ad{g}fd edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdB||
~A2FA- ~A2dB|AzFA BE~E2|~A2FB ~A2B/c/d|gdfd efdB|
~A2FA- ~A2dB|~A2Fz BE~E2|DE{A}FD ~A3B|dzfd efdB|
AD~D2 ADBD|AD~D2 BE~E2|AD~D2 ~A3B|dzfd efdB|
AD~D2 AD~D2|AD~D2 BE~E2|dzfd ~A3B|defd efgb||
azfd efdf|adfd edB/c/d|~a2fd ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
azfd efdf|adfd edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdf-||
~f2df efdf-|~f2df {f}edB/c/d|~f2df ~e3f|gzfd edB/c/d|
~f2df efdf-|~f2df {f}edB/c/d|fa~a2 bzaf|ea{g}fd efdB||
Ad{g}fd ed{g}fd|Ad{g}fd edB/c/d|azfd ~e3f|{g}fe{f}ed edB/c/d|
Ad{g}fd ed{g}fd|Ad{g}fd edB/c/d|fa~a2 ba{b}af|ea{g}fd efdB||A2.F.E D4||

I love how James Galway starts watching what he’s doing intently in the 2nd part. I bet he’s trying to figure out how to do those D crans. Haha.

Wow! Thanks a lot, Dow, for all your work.
I wasn’t expecting such a detailed transcription, I had in mind just a sketch of the way Matt plays this because it’s quite different from the ABC posted here at The Session.

Such a detailed transcription is more than I can ask for, thanks very much, Dow, for all your trouble.

Regarding me getting close to the real thing, Dow, don’t worry, I don’t even dream of ever playing even close to how Matt Molloy plays it. I am a humble begginer/intermediate whistler that plays what he can, just to have a bit of fun. I asked for this transcription just to have some general guideline of the "version" played by Matt, simply because it’s a version I like very much. I intend to to play only a simplification of his "version" that fits my skills.

Once again, thanks a lot Dow!

the bucks of oranmore by matt molloy

what happened to the video on youtube? is it gone? does anyone have a copy? i knew i should have been saving copies on my computer of my favorite videos….

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Tune after the Bucks?

Can’t believe I just read that. Nothing goes after the Bucks, you kidding me? =)

Gaelic Storm.

My favorite version of this to date is played by Gaelic Storm in the track "Jack Dawson’s Luck" from the CD "Back to Titanic". It’s the last of 4 tunes. They play it fast and with lots of flavor. This track is among my favorite recordings.

Paddy Keenan’s Version (1978)

X: 1
T: Bucks Of Oranmore, The
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
R: reel
K: Dmaj
|A2FA A2dB|BAFA BGDF|A2FA AFB/2c/2d|e/2f/2gfd ecdB|
AFFF AFDF|ADFA BAFA|DEFD AAAB|defd ecdB||
|ADDD ADBD|ADDD BGEG|ADDD A2B/2c/2d|e/2f/2gfd ecdB|
ADDD ADBD|ADDD BGEG|DEFD AAAB|defd efgb||
|a2fd efdf|a2fd edA/2B/2d|fadf eAdf|f/2f/2efd edB/2c/2d|
fadf eAdf|aafd edB/2c/2d|faa/2a/2a agaf|gefd efde||
|efdf efde|f2df edB/2c/2d|efdf efde|gefd edBd|
fAdf eAde|fAdf edB/2c/2d|faaa bfaf|gefd efdB||
|Adfd edfd|Adfd edB/2c/2d|Adfd edef|fefd edB/2c/2d|
Adfd edfd|Adfd edB/2c/2d|faaa afaf|gefd efdB||

Keenan’s version (corrections)

|A2FA A2dB|BAFA BGDG|A2FA AAB/2c/2d|e/2f/2gfd ecdB|
AFFF AFDF|ADFA BAFA|DEFD AAAB|defd ecdB||
|ADDD ADBD|ADDD BGEG|ADDD A2B/2c/2d|e/2f/2gfd ecdB|
ADDD ADBD|ADDD BGEG|DEFD AAAB|defd efgb||
|a2fd efdf|a2fd edA/2B/2d|fadf eAdf|f/2f/2efd edB/2c/2d|
fadf eAdf|aafd edB/2c/2d|faa/2a/2a bgaf|gefd efde||
|efdf efde|f2df edB/2c/2d|efdf efde|gefd edBd|
fAdf eAde|fAdf edB/2c/2d|faaa bfaf|gefd efdB||
|Adfd edfd|Adfd edB/2c/2d|Adfd edef|fefd edB/2c/2d|
Adfd edfd|Adfd edB/2c/2d|faaa bfaf|gefd efdB||

It is such a banal comment to make, about that 1977 video of Molloy posted above, but I’ll make it anyway: BURY ME DANCING!!
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The sheet music here and any other sheel music I have seen is bacially the same 5 part 40 bar version. This seems to be the "official version"

However, in the movie credit for titanic and several other youtube videos, the first part is repeated and one of the last 2 parts omitted, though it still is 40 measures.

Can anyone explain this ,

Bucks of Oranmore - Tin Whistle

Hi, just wondering if anyone knows of a variation i can do on the second last bar of the second and fourth line (both the same). I am learnin this and cant make it sound right. Thanks!!!

Bucks of Oranmore

Hi, just wondering if anyone knows of a variation i can do on the second last bar of the second and fourth line (both the same). I am learnin this and cant make it sound right. Thanks!!!

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Why not just create your own variation, from scratch?

Work it out, see if it says something the other parts do not but within the same "theme", and work on it till you like it.

Then share it with others, and see if they like it too.
(Although beware! - everone has an OPINION)

The only trick, in my opinion (see?), is doing a variation within a traditional tune and still respecting the original - make it a departure, but not a contradiction. If you are starting to sound like a whole different tune, I think it has gone a bit too far.

Ex. I think Mr. Matt Molloy playing The Mason’s Apron is a good, though extreme, example - he elaborates, but, to my ear at least, does not get lost. But remember also, it is a performance piece.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtSjM3YU7Qw


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Probably because you’re learning it from sheet music. Try listening to other peoples’ interpretations, and you’ll get it. It must be one of the most widely recorded reels, so there’s no challenge there.

Keep trying to ‘learn’ it from sheet music and it will always sound wooden and lifeless.

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Didn’t John Kelly say ‘The Bucks should not be interfered with!’ ?

(this in response to Jackie Daly playing ’ the Leitrim Bucks’ )

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"Keep trying to ‘learn’ it from sheet music and it will always sound wooden and lifeless."

Theres a statement and a half. I musnt be as gifted and talented as your good self smasher but I’m givin it a shot. Sheet music is a neccessity for this beginner unfortunately. (which is why i love this website to bits)

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It is stating the obvious, nothing more. If you’re only just learning the Bucks, then I would have thought constructive advice from someone who has played this music for a lifetime would be welcome. Sheet music is only a distraction. Hopefully you’ll see that before too long, and stop wasting your time.

I have to say that I actually prefer the Leitrim Bucks these days Prof.

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"Sheet music is a neccessity for this beginner unfortunately."

Don’t you believe it! I wasted a lot of time thinking I needed sheet music, and thinking I was learning tunes by reading them. The sooner you get rid of that notion, the sooner you’ll be able to play what you want to play.

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Could also be a sign that maybe The Bucks isn’t for a beginner then. It’s a simple enough tune but to get it right is another thing. As is the way of simple tunes by the way.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrXsmfmqcFA


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You’re already halfway there, because you have decided that you "can’t make it sound right". Which implies that you hear what you’re playing and it doesn’t sound like what you hear other people playing. (Or maybe I’m reading too much into that).

Find every version of the Bucks that you can (look through your music collection, search the Comhaltas website, find the hundreds of recordings of it on YouTube, etc). Listen to all the recordings. Sing along with the tune when you’re listening, until the point that you can sing it on your own, without following what someone else is doing. Then try to translate what you’re singing onto your instrument. And then you will be "making it sound right", at least to your own ears.

You may find that people play it pretty differently. And if you can’t get it in your head well enough, try choosing just one recording of it that you really like, and studying that one. Use slow-down software to get it slowed down to where you can pick out the individual notes, if you have to. And try learning it note for note, paying attention to how the player is articulating it (where they’re putting ornamentation, etc).

If you do this more and more, you’ll start to learn that the sheet music is not a necessity!

There are long-winded debates (arguments) on this website about the merits and drawbacks of using sheet music. But most people that argue the topic will agree that, while sheet music can be useful for learning tunes when you already know how to play the music reasonably well, you can NOT learn to play the music well from sheet music. You need to use your ears. The music is so much more than the notes of a tune.

A lot of players that have made the switch to learning tunes by ear have come to realize that you can get really good at it with practice, and the sheet music then becomes fairly useless.

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Just type the name into Youtube’s search box and help yourself.

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Cheers for the Séamus Ennis link. Incredible.

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As the Reverend said "A lot of players that have made the switch to learning tunes by ear have come to realize that you can get really good at it with practice, and the sheet music then becomes fairly useless."

As a relative new comer to this, I would say too true. I was fortunate enough to have a local slow session where I initially learned tunes by ear and repetition. I still used sheet music as a ‘check-safe’ to bolster my confidence that I had it ‘right’. What became frustrating was that I often did have it ‘right’ with the recorded or local version, but not according to the sheet music. I had to learn that just about every recording of every tune was slightly different and that sheet music was more a ‘guide’ than a final word. Look at virtually any tune listed here and there will often be numerous variations provided in the comments section.

I find it ironic that there is so much conflict on this site about using sheet music, yet there are a bazillion tunes posted here in sheet music and ABC format. My take (and bear in mind, I am fairly new to this) is that if you want to use sheet music, go ahead; it is your call and that is why so many tunes are posted here. But if you can wean yourself off of sheet music and really work at learning by ear (slow downers are great tools), you will find it a much more rewarding and satisfying experience and the tunes will be securely committed to memory.

Just my two-bits.

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"Didn’t John Kelly say ‘The Bucks should not be interfered with!’ ?
(this in response to Jackie Daly playing ’ the Leitrim Bucks’ )"

Hah, what did that mean? John wasn’t big on regional variations or something? Funny as he played plenty of "wrong" Clare settings too, wrong from an adjudicator’s standpoint anyway.

You can hear piper Jim Lavin and fiddler Patrick Kelly play the Bucks at the Comhaltas Archives. These are two old time musicians who played what is now the 2nd part 1st, a link to its Scottish origins.

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Yes, that Seamus Ennis link was powerful stuff. Anybody else notice a very young Noel Hill sitting beside him ?

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@Prof. Prlwytzkofsky - The story as told to me by Mr. Daly himself (twice, actually) is that another musician (I seem to recall him saying Connie O’Connell) was performing a tune, and John Kelly and Jackie were watching. John leaned over and asked Jackie what the tune was. Jackie responded, "It’s the Leitrim version of The Bucks of Oranmore," to which Mr. Kelly sternly and emphatically gave the response that you quoted.

I have no doubt that you have an equally, or even more credible source for the story, but just wanted to share it as it was told to me, also. :-)

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I have played the tune with Jackie dozens of times and he told the story just about every time, without ever referring to anyone else but himself and ‘the bucks should not be interfered with has become one of the Daly-ism that is pulled out around here. A bit like ‘Fierce rattling, nothing breaking’ and many others like it. But it doesn’t matter, I have seen him change versions of stories around many times. depending on who was at the receiving end of the tale. We never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

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Bucks of Oranmore

@Weejie: Yes, the two clips are clearly taken from the same session. It´s fascinating to see how Ennis takes the tune and makes it his own. He does what he likes with it, but always respecting the basic framework of the tune. The rhythm might not be the ideal one for dancing to, but the overall effect leaves you with a feeling of …..awe!

Don’t miss this 1948 cut of Séamus playing the Bucks and Sligo Maid: http://source.pipers.ie/Gallery.aspx?id=375 It’s on pg 3, which also has 3 more cuts from that session. Pipering don’t get better than that.

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@Prof. Prlwytzkofsky: "We never let the truth get in the way of a good story." — Indeed indeed; variation is the spice of a good story, too! :-D

Bucks of Oranmore

one of these days I’ll pluck up the courage to transcribe the Mick Coyne version of that tune.

Mick Coyne version ( first repetition only )

T:Bucks of Oranmore
M:4/4
S:Both Side of the Coyne by Mick Coyne
Z:gian marco pietrasanta
K:D
~A2FA ~A2FA|~A2FA Be~3|~A2DA ~A2AF|(3Bcd fd efdA|
~A2FA DAAD|AADA BEEe|DF~F2 ADFA|defd efdB|
ADED ADBD|~A2fA BEE2|DF~F2 ADFA|defd efge|
~a2fd eAde|~a2fd eB~B2|deaa fdef|geFd eAde|
~a2fd ed(3Bcd|eaaf ~g3a|fa~a2 bfaf|(3Bcd fd efde|
fedf efde|fedf ed(3Bcd|ef~f2 efde|fefd ed(3Bcd|
fd(3Bcd ed(3Bcd|effd ed(3Bcd|ea~a2 bgaf|(3Bcd fd efdB|
Adfd edfd|(3Bcd fd edBA|(3Bcd fded|effd efdB|
Adfd adfd|(3Bcd fd edBd|ea~a2 bgaf|defd efdB|

#*&^%……..!!!!

I see the link to Molloy’s version has been removed from "Youtube" at the insistence of RTE, apparently. It can be purchased - along with a lot of good other stuff - on the "Come West Along The Road" DVD #1 - last track.

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Sheet Music vs Ear

I have to say, I would have found the opposite. Listen to 90% of the versions out there on the internet and they’re all going to have the same basic structure of the sheet music that was posted here. Ornamentation is not to be copied note for note; then that becomes sheet music within itself. Still though, I’d say Dr. Dow’s transcription is worth a study!

Bucks of Oranmore

X:7 from the piping of Tommy Reck. Original recording may be heard here: https://app.box.com/s/65gbw761fep5y5kclgsi His 3rd part is "crooked" as they say in America - 12 bars. Or there are 6 bar 3rd and 4th parts? Tommy learned pipes from John Potts, father of famous fiddler Tommy and grandfather of Sean from the Chieftains, and he had a lot of very antique music. Some players in the old days would throw in an odd bar for whatever reason, or play a part an extra time when getting lost in the rush of what they were doing; this is about the only instance of a musician with a truly lopsided reel I’ve ever encountered, though. Or maybe he forgot the last part(s) as he was playing, and this was the result? Fascinating music at any rate: "It was the first piping fright I ever had!" as Peadar O’Loughlin said of Tommy.

I haven’t transcribed anything like the minutia of how Tommy played this - there are various variations that go by you can pick up from the recording. As for the general style this was summed up for me once by Tommy’s friend and producer of his Green Linnet LP, Pat Sky: Play everything completely staccato, even in places where it’s a real task to do so on the chanter, like the first few notes in the first octave. There are lots of lifts of the chanter in his style too, of course; but that’s over the top of all this ultra-tight piping.

One more version

This version of Bucks is from a Willie week class I took with Oisin MacDiarmada in 1998. I posted the tune pre-session.org days on another site, but it didn’t get here. It flows nicely for fiddle and banjo.

X:1
T:Bucks of Oranmore
S:Oisin MacDiarmada
R:Reel
O:Ireland
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:D
A2FA (3AAA dB|A2FA BE (3EEE|A2FA (3AAA Bd|egfd ed{e}dB|
A2FA (3AAA dB|A2FA BE (3EEE|DEFG AFAB|defd efdB|]
AD(3DDD ADBD|ADFA BE (3EEE|ADFA (3AAA Bd|egfd efdB|
AD (3DDD ADBD|ADFA BE (3EEE|DEFG AFAB|defd efge|]!
a2fd efdf|a2fd edBd|a2 fd edef|gefd edBd|
a2fd efdf|adfd edBd|faaa agfe|defd eaag|]
f2df efde|fedf edBd|fddd edef|gafg edBd|
f2df efde|fedf edBd|faaa agfe|defd efdB|]
Adfd edfd|Adfd edBd|Adfd edef|gefd edBd|
Adfd edfd|Adfd edBd|faaa agfe|defd AddB|]