Out The Door And Over The Wall slip jig

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Out The Door And Over The Wall has been added to 20 tunebooks.

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Four settings

X: 1
T: Out The Door And Over The Wall
R: slip jig
M: 9/8
L: 1/8
K: Dmaj
|:[M:11/8]EFE EFGA B2A2|[M:7/8]GAG G2G2|FED E2E2:|
|:ABA A2A2|ABA A2A2|GAG G2G2|FED E2E2:|
|:EFE =c2c2|EFE =c2c2|EFE B2B2|FED E2E2:|
|:edc c2c2|Bcd c2c2|edc c2c2|BA^G A2z2|edc c2c2|
[M:9/8]Bcd cde def|[M:7/8]edc c2c2|BAG A2z2:|
ABC
X: 2
T: Out The Door And Over The Wall
R: slip jig
M: 9/8
L: 1/8
K: Fdor
|:eff|M:5/8 ef gab|M:4/8 c'_d'bc'|M:7/8 gaa a2a2|M:6/8 gge fff|!
M:5/8ef eff|ef gab|M:6/8 c'zbzab|M:7/8 gaa a2a2|M:6/8 gge fff:|!
|:M:7/8 gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gaa a2a2|M:6/8 gge fff|!
M:7/8 gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gbb bc'ab|gaa a2a2|M:6/8 gge fff:|!
M:7/8 |:fed d{e}d d{e}d |cde d{e}d d{e}d |fed d{e}d d{e}d |M:6/8 cc=A BBB|!
M:7/8 fed d{e}d d{e}d |M:9/8 cde g{a}ge g{a}ge|M:7/8fed d{e}d d{e}d |M
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X: 3
T: Out The Door And Over The Wall
R: slip jig
M: 9/8
L: 1/8
K: Fdor
|:eff|[M:5/8] ef gab|[M:4/8] c'_d'bc'|[M:7/8] gaa a2a2|[M:6/8] gge fff|
[M:5/8]ef eff|ef gab|[M:6/8] c'zbzab|[M:7/8] gaa a2a2|[M:6/8] gge fff:|
|:[M:7/8] gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gaa a2a2|[M:6/8] gge fff|
[M:7/8] gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gbb bc'ab|gaa a2a2|[M:6/8] gge fff:|
[M:7/8] |:fed d{e}d d{e}d |cde d{e}d d{e}d |fed d{e}d d{e}d |[M:6/8] cc=A BBB|
[M:7/8] fed d{e}d d{e}d |[M:9/8] cde g{a}ge g{a}ge|[M:7/8]fed d{e}d d{e}d |
ABC
X: 4
T: Out The Door And Over The Wall
R: slip jig
M: 9/8
L: 1/8
K: Emin
[M:8/8]|:"Em"dee dz fga |[M:4/8]b2 "D"a2|[M:7/8] "Em"fgg g2g2|[M:6/8]"D" gfd "Em"e3|
[M:7/8]"Em"de dee de|[M:9/8]fga b2"D"a2 ga|[M:7/8]"Em"fgg g2g2|[M:6/8] "D"fgd "Em"e2e:|
|:[M:7/8]"Am"gaa a2a2|gaa a2a2|gaa a2g2|"Em"fgg g2g2|[M:6/8] "Bm"ffd "Em"e3|
:[M:7/8]"Am" gaa a2a2|gaa a2a2|gaa a2g2|"Em"fgg g2g2|[M:6/8] "Bm"ffd "Em"e3:|
[K:A][M:7/8]|:"A"edc {d}c2 {d}c2 |Bcd {d}c2 {d}c2 |edc {d}c2 {d}c2 |[M:6/8] "E"cBG "A"Az2|
[M:7/8] edc {d}c2 {d}c2 |[M:9/8]"Bm" Bcd ffd ffd|[M:7/8]"A"edc {d}c2 {d}c2|1 [M:6/8] "E"c BG "A"ABe:|2 [M:6/8] "E"c BG "A"Az2||
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Thirteen comments

Someone in my circle learnt this tune from Paul Brady’s ‘Welcome Here Kind Stranger’ album 25 years ago. We have played it in sessions over that time. I have transcribed it as we play it, which may well mean the tune has metamorphised since it was written by Brady. I don’t own a copy of that album (pity).

Barndance?

No, its not a barn dance. I don’t know that its anything. Its a ruchinitsa some ofthe time. If Smeceno Horo is a hora, then I suppose this is a horo. But there isn’t a horo category. So its a barndance, the closest thing I know to Miscellaneous in teh available dance type list!

Not correct

This tune was written by Paul Brady, I’m afraid your version is not exactly right, some major differences on the recording, I don’t know how to notate abc so I can’t type in the corrections, but just have to let you know this is not right. I think it is on the Liberty Tapes as well.

Posted .

Tunes change

Frisbee, if you read the original comment, Neil clearly states "I have transcribed it as we play it, which may well mean the tune has metamorphised since it was written by Brady."

I did notice that Mr Jeremy Sir, my point was to confirm to him that the tune is actually quite different. Is it not important for people to know if they are playing something wrong? I know wrong and right have little meaning with a lot of tunes due to the fact that there are many different versions of different tunes, but this is a tune Brady wrote so if they are playing it wrong it would clearly be helpful to them and everyone in thesession.org to know that if they learn the tune like this it will not match up when Paul Brady walks into their seisiún one night asking ‘Hey does anyone else know that tune I wrote……..?!

Posted .

Write and wrong

This question of right and wrong is interesting. I don’t have a copy of the original recording. If I did, I would transcribe it and put it here on the site. When does a tune become traditional? Every tune has an author. Its just that the author is forgotten and it becomes part of a tradition without attribution. In this case, the author is still alive. There was a bit of a debate on this in the Smeceno Horo comments. What is the correct version of that tune? Most people would have said a few years ago the original planxty version. Then later versions with Andy Irvine and friends were different, correcting ‘mistakes’. Andy made in transcribing from the Balkantone record. But the mistakes are now part of the tradition. And listening to the original, I have to say I don’t find it nearly as exciting. Then there is Mominsko Horo, which Andy describes as ‘an early attempt to remember a Balkan tune’. Its clearly not the original tune. Its not that recognisably Balkan, except for the time signatures.
So, if you are accompanying my friends, the correct version is above. If you were lucky enough to have Paul Brady walk in, I suspect a different version would be appropriate. If I was there, i’d put my instrument down anyway and bore the man to death by asking for Arthur McBride as a solo ……. But I would be happy.

Here’s a transcription of it from the recording (approved by Paul Brady himself):

X:1
T:Out the Door and Over the Wall
M:3/8
L:1/8
C:Paul Brady
K:FDor
|:eff|M:5/8 ef gab|M:4/8 c’_d’bc’|M:7/8 gaa a2a2|M:6/8 gge fff|!
M:5/8ef eff|ef gab|M:6/8 c’zbzab|M:7/8 gaa a2a2|M:6/8 gge fff:|!
|:M:7/8 gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gaa a2a2|M:6/8 gge fff|!
M:7/8 gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gbb bc’ab|gaa a2a2|M:6/8 gge fff:|!
M:7/8 |:fed d{e}d d{e}d |cde d{e}d d{e}d |fed d{e}d d{e}d |M:6/8 cc=A BBB|!
M:7/8 fed d{e}d d{e}d |M:9/8 cde g{a}ge g{a}ge|M:7/8fed d{e}d d{e}d |M
:6/8 c
c=A BBB:||

Time signature fixes.

The changes of time signatures are supposed to be inclosed by square brackets. Here is a fixed version that gives good results on ABC Explorer :

X:1
T:Out the Door and Over the Wall
M:3/8
L:1/8
C:Paul Brady
K:FDor
|:eff|[M:5/8] ef gab|[M:4/8] c’_d’bc’|[M:7/8] gaa a2a2|[M:6/8] gge fff|
[M:5/8]ef eff|ef gab|[M:6/8] c’zbzab|[M:7/8] gaa a2a2|[M:6/8] gge fff:|
|:[M:7/8] gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gaa a2a2|[M:6/8] gge fff|
[M:7/8] gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gbb bc’ab|gaa a2a2|[M:6/8] gge fff:|
[M:7/8] |:fed d{e}d d{e}d |cde d{e}d d{e}d |fed d{e}d d{e}d |[M:6/8] cc=A BBB|
[M:7/8] fed d{e}d d{e}d |[M:9/8] cde g{a}ge g{a}ge|[M:7/8]fed d{e}d d{e}d |
[M:6/8] c c=A BBB:||

Time signature fixes.

Emmanuel wrote: "The changes of time signatures are supposed to be inclosed by square brackets."

Well, not in the ABC program I use, which is ABC2Win. Looks like you dealt with it, though. :-)

Transcription in Dm

I typically play this capo’d to the third fret using Dm fingerings (I think Paul capo’d to the first fret and played as in Em):

|:eff|M:5/8 ef gab|M:4/8 c’_d’bc’|M:7/8 gaa a2a2|M:6/8 gge fff|!
M:5/8ef eff|ef gab|M:6/8 c’zbzab|M:7/8 gaa a2a2|M:6/8 gge fff:|!
|:M:7/8 gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gaa a2a2|M:6/8 gge fff|!
M:7/8 gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gbb bc’ab|gaa a2a2|M:6/8 gge fff:|!
M:7/8 |:fed d{e}d d{e}d |cde d{e}d d{e}d |fed d{e}d d{e}d |M:6/8 cc=A BBB|!
M:7/8 fed d{e}d d{e}d |M:9/8 cde g{a}ge g{a}ge|M:7/8fed d{e}d d{e}d |M:6/8 cc=A BBB:|!

Transcription revisited

Its been quite a few years since I have logged in. Have followed the Balkan music path to the detriment of Celtic. After hundreds of transcriptions, I returned to this tune when I came across the Liberty Tapes on Youtube and decided it was time to fix up my earlier transcription here. I used Transcribe! software to manage the transcription process and probably spent six or more hours on the task. I didn’t refer to any of the other transcriptions here so as to come at it without preconceptions. Unsurprisingly, what I have come up with yet another slightly different version to any already contributed versions. This is not a claim to rightness or wrongness. My dots kept changing depending upon which repeat of the tune I was using… there is subtle variation happening all the way through. As to the rhythm, I listened for the emphasis and placed the bar lines where they seemed to sound to me. Once again, the recording has variations here as well. This version is in Em rather than the recorded Fm to suit mandolins and fiddles. Bouzoukis have an unfair capot advantage. Finally, I had always thought this was a Paul Brady tune, but a page in Wikipedia attributes it to Donal Lunny. I don’t know any better so have left off the composer tag.

Re: Transcription revisited

Neil:

I refer you to my transcription, which was approved by Paul Brady himself, and yes, Paul IS the composer, not Dónal Lunny. :-)

Paul says in those liners notes that he composed the tune as an "exercise" in different "Balkan" meters, so the meter changes:

3-5-4-7-6 | 5-6-7-6 :|
7-7-7-6 | 7-7-7-6 :|
7-7-7-6 | 7-9-7-6 :|

were quite consciously chosen. Apparently he didn’t see the need to combine any of these bars into longer measures and he plays the tune with these meter changes in mind.

FWIW: I caught a discrepancy between the original recording on "Welcome Here Kind Stranger" and the liner notes for same, which listed the final bars in each section as being in 7/8, rather than 6/8. Paul said that he must have unconsciously dropped an 8th note out of those final bars during the recording and not revised the liner notes to reflect that change. I am glad he did because that is one of the features I really like about this tune.

Cheers!
Roger Landes

"A" part
M:3/8 |:eff|
M:5/8 ef gab|
M:4/8 c’_d’bc’|
M:7/8 gaa a2a2|
M:6/8 gge fff|!
M:5/8 ef eff|ef gab|
M:6/8 c’zbzab|
M:7/8 gaa a2a2|
M:6/8 gge fff:|!

"B" part
M:7/8 |:gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gaa a2a2|
M:6/8 gge fff|!
M:7/8 gbb b2b2|gbb b2b2|gbb bc’ab|gaa a2a2|
M:6/8 gge fff:|!

"C" part
M:7/8 |:fed d{e}d d{e}d |cde d{e}d d{e}d |fed d{e}d d{e}d |
M:6/8 cc=A BBB|!
M:7/8 fed d{e}d d{e}d |
M:9/8 cde g{a}ge g{a}ge|
M:7/8 fed d{e}d d{e}d |
M:6/8 cc=A BBB:|!

In Em:
M:3/8|:dee|
M:5/8 de fga|
M:4/8 b=c’ ab|
M:7/8 fgg g2g2|
M:6/8 ffd ~e3|!
M:5/8 de dee|
M:5/8 de fga|
M:6/8 bzazga|
M:7/8 fgg g2g2|
M:6/8 ffd ~e3:|!

M:7/8 |:faa a2a2|faa a2a2|faa a2a2|fgg g2g2|
M:6/8 ffd ~e3|!
M:7/8 faa a2a2|faa a2a2|faa ab ga|fgg g2g2|
M:6/8 ffe ~e3:|!

M:7/8 |:ed^c c2 c2|B^cd c2 c2|ed^c c2 c2|
M:6/8 BB^G ~A3|!
M:7/8 ed^c c2 c2|
M:9/8 B^ce (f/g/f)d (f/g/f)d|
M:7/8 edc^ c2 c2|
M:6/8 BB^G ~A3:|

In Dm:
M:3/8|:cdd|
M:5/8 cd efg|
M:4/8 bc’ab|
M:7/8 eff f2 f2|
M:6/8 eec ddd|!
M:5/8 cd cdd|cd efg|
M:6/8 a2 g2 fg|
M:7/8 eff f2f2|
M:6/8 eec ddd:|!

M:7/8 |:egg g2g2|egg g2g2|egg gafg|eff f2f2|
M:6/8 eec ddd|!
M:7/8 egg g2g2|egg g2g2|egg gafg|eff f2f2|
M:6/8 eec ddd:|!

M:7/8 |:dc=B B2B2|A=Bc B2B2|dc=B B2B2|
M:6/8 AA^F GGG|!
M:7/8 dc=B B2B2|
M:9/8 A=Bc eec eec|
M:7/8 dc=B B2B2|
M:6/8 AA^F GGG:|