Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

A byproduct of learning ITM on the Anglo is realizing it can do other things, as backing for shanties and the like as well for my recent obsession, old English Hornpipe and such.

Apologies to the purists on the site! I suppose this sort of thing doesn’t belong here. However there are some expert Anglo Concertina players here so perhaps it is not so far off topic.

So I would love to get some references for recordings/dots of odd tunes and hornpipes including those with odd time sigs etc.

Thanks

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

James Hill!

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

FARNE = Folk Archive Resource North East ~ a superb resource

http://www.asaplive.com/FARNE/Home.cfm
http://www.asaplive.com/FARNE/News.cfm?ccs=128&cs=1506
http://www.asaplive.com/FARNE/News.cfm?ccs=575&cs=2221

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hill_(folk_musician)

http://www.nigelgatherer.com/

Tom McConville ~ "Fiddler’s Fancy: The music of James Hill"
https://thesession.org/recordings/1594
http://www.folkmusic.net/htmfiles/webrevs/obmcd04.htm

Discussion: James Hill
# Posted on March 3rd 2004 by Key Maniac Lad
https://thesession.org/discussions/3050

Discussion: James Hill (fiddler / composer) : one or two questions
# Posted on May 6th 2007 by nicholas
https://thesession.org/discussions/13616

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

Since you said you want "odd tunes" in "odd time sigs", I’m assuming that by "old-timey English hornpipes" you mean three-twos? You won’t get any of that stuff from James Hill, whose music is relatively new-on-the-block, being from the mid-nineteenth century. There are enough 3/2 hornpipes on this website to be getting on with for the moment, and some 9/4s too. You’ll find all the transcriptions and references on this site collected in the one place in my membership profile. Just scroll down till you find what you want.

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

I was getting to you eventually Dow, you can’t wait can you… However, if you want Hill too, here’s more ~

Always check the ‘Comments’ too ~
& MP3 recordings for many of these can be heard on the FARNE site…

The Cage Hornpipe
Key signature: Gmajor
Submitted on July 7th 2005 by Dow.
https://thesession.org/tunes/4685

The Champion Hornpipe
Key signature: Dmajor
Submitted on August 29th 2003 by dafydd.

The Cliff Hornpipe
Key signature: Dmajor
Submitted on December 4th 2001 by Mad Baloney.
https://thesession.org/tunes/412

The Earl Grey Hornpipe
The Enterprise Hornpipe
The Gateshead Hornpipe

The Hawk Hornpipe
Key signature: Dmajor
Submitted on August 29th 2003 by dafydd.
https://thesession.org/tunes/3146

The High Level Bridge Hornpipe
Key signature: Gmajor
Submitted on August 29th 2003 by dafydd.
https://thesession.org/tunes/2261

Hill’s Hornpipe
James Brown Hornpipe
Little Jim’s Hornpipe

The Locomotive Hornpipe
Key signature: Dmajor
Submitted on January 1st 2006 by Dow.
https://thesession.org/tunes/5382

The Marquis of Waterford’s Hornpipe
Key signature: Gminor
Submitted on February 19th 2007 by Dow.
https://thesession.org/tunes/6832

Miss Hunter’s Hornpipe

The Newcastle Hornpipe
Key signature: Gminor
Submitted on May 17th 2002 by Mad Baloney.
https://thesession.org/tunes/684

The No. 8 Hornpipe
The No. 9 Hornpipe
The Old Church Hornpipe

The Quayside Hornpipe
Key signature: Amajor
Submitted on March 31st 2004 by Dow.
https://thesession.org/tunes/2740

The Redesdale Hornpipe / The Underhand Hornpipe
Key signature: Gmajor
Submitted on September 15th 2004 by jakki S.
https://thesession.org/tunes/3545

The Wonder Hornpipe
Key signature: Gmajor
Submitted on October 22nd 2001 by Joerg Froese.
https://thesession.org/tunes/337

The XYZ Hornpipe

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

You missed out all the best ones there, ‘c’. What about the Beeswing? The Navvie? The Pear Tree? Fisher Lads? The Barber’s Pole? The Great Exhibition? Factory Smoke? You must be getting tired - way past your bedtime…

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

Yes, it is…. And I’m definitely shot, bleary eyed and semi-conscious… 😏

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

So, I knew something was missing ~

The Barber’s Pole
Key signature: Gmajor
Submitted on February 18th 2007 by nicholas.
https://thesession.org/tunes/6830

Beeswing
Key signature: Gmajor
Submitted on September 2nd 2002 by Paul-Kin.
https://thesession.org/tunes/945

Factory Smoke
Key signature: Eminor
Submitted on August 29th 2003 by dafydd.
https://thesession.org/tunes/1985

Fisher Lads
Key signature: Gmajor
Submitted on September 21st 2006 by alexboydell.
https://thesession.org/tunes/6211

The Great Exhibition
Key signature: Dmajor
Submitted on April 1st 2007 by geoffwright.
https://thesession.org/tunes/7023

The Pear Tree
Key signature: Dmajor
Submitted on May 10th 2006 by dafydd.
https://thesession.org/tunes/5754

The Navvie On The Line
Key signature: Gmajor
Submitted on April 5th 2005 by Alancorsini.
https://thesession.org/tunes/4376

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

& a couple of Willy Taylors tunes for good measure:

"Farewell to the Dene" ~ schottische / barndance
Key signature: D Major
Submitted on June 10th 2005 by Dow.
https://thesession.org/tunes/3249

"The Shining Pool" ~ hornpipe
Key signature: D Major
Submitted on June 13th 2005 by Dow.
https://thesession.org/tunes/4593

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

There’s a clip of a great version of the Lonsdale Hornpipe at http://www.mustrad.org.uk/reviews/beggar.htm (but it’s the sound clip on the right, not the left) ; a few more classically-minded colleagues find the fiddle a bit rough / out of tune, must admit I’m just swept along by it. It fits my anglo concertina fine; but I play single-line melody, as for Irish music, I’m not sure how it would work in "traditional" English-style, i.e. where you’d put the chords. If you’re playing single-line melody, then all the rhythm has to come from phrasing, bellows changes, bellows pressure changes, etc, and you can really lift the tune; it’s a joy to play.

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Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

Forgot to credit the clip! It’s Greg Stephens & Crookfinger Jack, "The Beggar Boy of the North". Great CD.

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Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

I read somewhere that recordings of English people who played the Anglo prior to the postwar folk revival are very few, but two names are Scan Tester, East Anglian I think, and William Kimber who played for a Morris side in or near Oxford. The latter was certainly a marvellous player, going on what I’ve heard (a long time ago) of his recorded playing.

Soldier’s Joy ~ with swing and bounce

Key signature: D Major ~ etc…
Submitted on January 20th 2003 by Aiki.
Also known as Chicken In The Bread Tray, The Clap Dance, French Four, The King’s Head, The Morris Reel, Reel Des Pompiers, Reel Du Vagabon, Reel Du Vagabond, Seksmannsril, Sex Man Engelska, The Soldier’s Joy.
https://thesession.org/tunes/1356

Don’t let folks put you off this old war horse, handled right it is a kick to play, and a classic in several traditions, included as squeezed by English with the concertina or melodeon…

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

"English Country Music – A Personal View"
by Roger Digby, 2001 ~ & discography
http://www.concertina.net/rd_ecm.html

Some printed sources for English dance music:

http://www.canispublishing.com/ ~

The Barnes Book of English Country Dance Tunes
Peter Barnes
A collection of 436 of the most commonly used English traditional dance tunes for all instruments, with chords included for piano or guitar accompaniment. Spiral bound, 176 pp.

The Barnes Book of English Country Dance Tunes Volume Two
Peter Barnes
Collection of 413 more English traditional dance tunes, for all instruments. Many recent reconstructions, discoveries and compositions are presented, making a good set with Volume One. Includes chords for piano or guitar accompaniment, and extensive cross-referenced indexes including a master index for Vols. I & II. Spiralbound. 180 pp.

"English Fiddle Tunes", book & CD ~ Schott ED 12758
ISBN 1902455576
Pete Cooper .Com
http://www.petecooper.com/home.htm
http://www.petecooper.com/englishfiddletunes.htm
Notes: http://www.petecooper.com/eftnotes.htm
http://www.petecooper.com/eftnotes2.htm

"John Kirkpatrick’s English Choice: 101 Traditional Dance Tunes ~"
with two accompanying CDs
by John Kirkpatrick
ISBN: 1-899512-62-4
Dave Mallinson Publications / Mel Bay
http://www.mally.com/

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

& Yes to both Scan Tester and William Kimber & their anglo concertinas…

William Kimber and Headington
William or "Merry" Kimber (1872–1961)
http://www.headington.org.uk/history/famous_people/kimber.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kimber
http://folkopedia.efdss.org/William_Kimber
http://www.thedonkey.org/Recycling/William_Kimber_remember.html

CD reviews: "William Kimber: Absolutely Classic"
http://www.mustrad.org.uk/reviews/kimber.htm
http://www.concertina.net/rd_review_kimber.html
http://www.folkmusic.net/htmfiles/webrevs/efdsscd03.htm

CD: "William Kimber: Bean Setting"
Folktrax FTX-326 (20 tracks) / FTX-382 (42 tracks)

Book: "The Anglo Concertina Music of William Kimber" by Dan M Worrall
EFDSS, ISBN 085418194146
http://www.mustrad.org.uk/reviews/kimberbk.htm
http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2976


Scan Tester - 1887-1972: Sussex musician, stepdancer and singer
http://www.mustrad.org.uk/articles/tester.htm ~ a great article!

"Lewis (Scan) Tester - 1887 to 1972 - of Horsted Keynes, Sussex, was the best known traditional anglo-german concertina player around the folk scene in the ‘6Os and early ’70s. He also played bandoneon, melodeon, tambourine and fiddle - a favourite instrument for many years until rheumatism took its toll - and was an extremely fine, if infrequent, singer. He provided the music at The Stone Quarry pub at Chelwood Gate almost every weekend for over forty years, but his life in music spanned an incredible 75 years or more." ~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scan_Tester
http://folkopedia.efdss.org/Scan_Tester

Double CD: "Scan Tester: I Never Played to Many Posh Dances" (there is also a book)
http://www.veteran.co.uk/VTVS03_04.htm
Review ~
http://www.concertina.net/rd_posh_dances.html

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

Hey, I never expected such service! Thank you for the references.

Now that I see the extent of the research here, would the website consider making this page a sort of faq for the Anglo Concertina student?

Just a thought.

About my taste in tunes. Yes the odd ones tend to stick in my head more than the C time variety. I am NOT taking here about Spongebob tunes but earlier from old sailing ship movies and the like, even though Spongebob tunes are very nice too.

About Irish music, Pip you say it is harder for you to get it. That is not unusual. It is primarily a mouth music - TinWhistle being the core instrument despite what you may have read/heard about it. The Concertina as well as other Instruments try to mimiic the nuances that are gotten by TinWhistle or more recently ( 19th Century ) the woodenflute.

Perhaps a go with the TW would help some?

ON SALE!!!: "The Fiddler’s Tune-Book Series" & HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!!

Peter Kennedy’s collections ~ 200 tunes per book

& you thought it was over ~

The following are on a great sale!!! ~ 2.95 each
http://www.mally.com/results.asp?CategoryID=33

Fiddler’s Tune-Book Series:
Compiled and edited by Peter Kennedy

Reels & Rants, Flings & Fancies
ISBN: 1-899512-48-9
http://www.mally.com/details.asp?id=51

Jigs & Quicksteps, Trips & Humours
ISBN: 1-899512-49-7
http://www.mally.com/details.asp?id=58

Slip Jigs & Waltzes
ISBN: 1-899512-51-9
http://www.mally.com/details.asp?id=61

Hornpipes & Breakdowns, Clog & Step Dances
ISBN: 1-899512-50-0
http://www.mally.com/details.asp?id=60

Not on sale, but part of the series ~
Fiddler’s Tune-Book : Fiddler’s Tune-Book Series Peter Kennedy
ISBN: 1-899512-14-4

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

Last but not least ~

Richard Robinson’s ~ The Collections
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/info/RRTuneBk/listings.html

Click on ‘publicaitons’ for some free PDF downloads
"Yorkshire Fiddle Tunes and Dances"
"The Fiddle in Southern England"
http://www.glusburn.demon.co.uk/

"Tunes, Songs and Dances from the 1798 manuscript of Joshua Jackson"
Geoff & Liz Bowen and Robin & Rosalind Shepherd
Yorkshire Dales Workshops
ISBN : 1 897925 17 4
http://www.glusburn.demon.co.uk/
A collection of tunes, dances and songs from the 1798 manuscript of fiddler Joshua Jackson, 1763 - 1839. Well known tunes which are readily available from other souces have been excluded except where Jackson has an interesting or local variant. The Joshua Jackson’s book, dated 1798 and still in the possession of the family, contains a remarkable collection of more than 500 handwritten tunes, dance notations and a few songs. English country dances, Scottish and Irish jigs and reels, a few anthems, incidental music for the theatre and excerpts of classical music, are all included in the leather bound volume, giving an indication of the kind of occasions when Joshua Jackson’s musical skills would have been in demand.

"Lincolnshire Collections Volume 1: The Joshua Gibbons Manuscript"
186 tunes collected by Joshua Gibbons, edited by Peter Sumner.
Dave Mallinson Publications
ISBN: 0-9530117-0-4
the tune book of Joshua Gibbons of Tealby, 1778-1871, a papermaker by trade, named in White’s county directory by 1821. He was born in Tealby and lived on the Bayons Manor Estate, and worked at one of the paper mills there. Between 1823-26 he collected the tunes in the book, evidently used for house balls, marches, weddings, feasts and rustic dances. A portion of the tunes were arranged in the manuscript into sets for dancing, mixing 3/8’s and 6/8’s, 4/4’s and 6/8’s, 6/8’s and 2/2’s, and 2/2’s and 9/8’s. Quicksteps were mixed with Reels and Waltzes with Quadrilles. The collection is unusual in that it also contains 30 tunes harmonized for two or three instruments. In this edition, the tunes have been grouped by category and then in alphabetical order, placing the tunes sets first and their spellings are as near as can be deciphered from the original.

"Lawrence Leadley: Fiddler Of Helperby" ~ James Merryweather & Matt Seattle
ISBN 1-872277-18-7
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/attadale/merryweather/helperby.html
A book of tunes from the manuscripts of Lawrence Leadley, 1827 - 1897, a North Yorkshire fiddler who lived in the North Yorkshire village of Helperby in the mid nineteenth century. The book is presented by James Merryweather and Matt Seattle and includes copious notes about the man, his music and times, biographical and historical information on the man, his tunes and Victorian village life… 130 tunes with chords, 75 pages.

"Nick Barber’s English Choice" ~ Nick Barber
ISBN: 1-899512-61-6
96 tunes with chords, all the popular traditional English session tunes. Every tune is a gem, tried and tested not just by Nick, but by generations of players.

"1000 English Country Dance Tunes" ~ Michael Raven
http://www.michaelraven.co.uk/
http://www.michaelraven.co.uk/index_files/Page398.htm
1,300 tunes from the 13th to the 20th century. This is the much enlarged and revised edition of The Bible of English Country Dance Tunes. The facsimiles of The English Dancing Master and The Beggar’s Opera remain and many of the tunes have been reset. There is music here from the 13th to the 20th century and examples of various forms: Morris, ceremonial and sword dances, jigs, reels, waltzes, cotillons, polkas, scottisches, marches, quadrilles, branles, old English hornpipes, square dances, long dances, mazurkas and galliards not forgetting laments and exotic novelty dances.

"Dave Townsend’s English Dance Music Volume 1"
130 traditional English dance tunes
"Dave Townsend’s English Dance Music Volume 2"
132 Traditional English dance tunes
~ collected & arranged by Dave Townsend
They are part of the common repertoire of musicians playing English music for barn dances, ceilidhs and country dances. The versions given are intended to represent the form in which the tunes are commonly played, based on the experience of the author, Dave Townsend, at dances festivals and pub sessions in many areas.

The Plain Brown Tune Book:
A Collection of Jigs, Slip Jigs, Reels, Polkas, Hornpipes, "Double" Hornpipes, Waltzes and Fancies from the North West of England. Including rare tunes from the Ellis Knowles Manuscript, Lancashire/Yorkshire c. 1847 ~ over 160 tunes.
http://members.aol.com/DrAJDoyle/music/ellisk01.html
~ The Wrapper Band perform traditional English dance music, mainly from the North West (Manchester, Cheshire, Lancashire) with some Yorkshire, Shropshire, Scottish and American thrown in for variety. The band has appeared on TV, at the Beverley Folk Festival, and also appears at premier dance venues such as Poynton, WiggInce, Mythenroyd.
~ This site has, information on Traditional Composers and Collectors, articles on the Double or 3/2 Hornpipe, and various midi and gif versions of tunes. We have also written a program which can be used to search for the origin or source book for tunes, which is shareware, but is available for free download. There is also links to interesting Traditional Dance music information and more general Saddleworth/North West resourses.

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

(I was obviously wrong about Scan Tester being from East Anglia!)

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

You just reminded my nicholas of a couple of others ~

"A Northern Lass: Traditional Dance Music of North-West England"
Compiled and edited by Jamie Knowles
Dave Mallinson Publications, 1995
ISBN:1-899512-16-0

"Furness Tradition Tune Book"
Mike Kermode, 2001

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

From a practical point of view, you have to be damn good to play many northumbrian hornpipes on anglo (they are not easy). They are much easier on english concertina (but you have to be wired-up wrong to play both).

For the definitive collection for Northumbrian hornpipes, Pete Louds book takes some beating. He even has some tunes on his website (and has the full tune lists so you know which ones to go away and learn)

http://www.peterloud.co.uk/tunebook/

Also have a look at the Northumbrian Pipers site

http://www.northumbrianpipers.org.uk/books.htm

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

Damn, I knew I was forgetting something… 🙁 ~ 😉

Hornpipes ~ Hornpipes ~ Hornpipes ~ Hornpipes ~ & English ones too

hornpipes ~ hornpipes ~ hornpipes ~ hornpipes ~ & English ones too… I just thought I’d tag this for the search engine… 😎

James Hill ~ another Old Timey English Hornpipe

"The Bottle Bank Hornpipe" ~ by James Hill
Key signature: D Major
Submitted on July 1st 2007 by geoffwright.
https://thesession.org/tunes/7429

Re: Anglo Concertina-Old timey English Hornpipes and similar - info please

does anyone know a hornpipe called something like mac gelligets??? i cant remember what its called. its something along those lines!! it has 2 parts its really annoying me!!