Celtic circle forum

Anyone know what happened to it? I cannot enter, it shows proboards page…

Thanks…

Hopefully it’s been taken down for listing links to illegal downloads of copywritten material. If so, good riddance!

Another blow to freedom

Bliss, you’re on the wrong track re. this one.

The site wasn’t just listing links for free downloads of albums by those who can afford to do without the royalties (I’m sure you know who I mean), but small-scale independent releases.

Whatever the case, Proboards, the host, has deleted it for a ‘Terms of Service’ violation and I’d stick my last cartwheel penny on a bet that this was for breach of copyright.

Posters on the site were taking a blow against Flook.
It is a small amount to pay the band for their CD.
If they offer it for free that is different.
The blog did have a phenomenal amount of CDs uploaded.
An earlier discussion inquired about the easiest way
to get recordings.

https://thesession.org/discussions/14836

Now I’m really going for a hike in the park.
Cheers!

Sorry Mac. There is a difference to downloading U2 and Harry B.

Yep, Bliss, and there were others who need the money even more than HB does.

I have plenty of mixed feelings about downloading mp3 files from the Internet, but the Celtic Circle Forum is a good thing to have, at least for me, and I’ll tell you why -

I live in Israel and study for a degree. I broadcast Irish music in my college’s student radio, which is heard around the area.

Though I do have plenty of legal, bought with good money, Irish music cd’s, I have to keep coming up with new material.

Making contact with Compass records or Green Linnet for sending me cd’s is close to impossibe. Ordering through the Internet is expensive and takes forever. Since the artists ARE getting paid for songs that I play (I have to give the management a playlist every time), the loss of this forum is a big loss of playing material for me. Now I’ll just have to play old material till I finish my degree or close the show when the listeners realize they’ve been had 🙂

My two cents about piracy - piracy is good. Why? When piracy began using p2p with mp3 files, sony and other companies took advantage of the situation and invented the mp3 player, the industry woke up and now the market is flooded. Same thing with the divx format. It’s a fact that companies like Abc and Apple have realized that downloading .avi files or streaming is becoming a necessity and giving away free episodes. This pattern has been around for a decade, ever since the first illegal BBS (remember that?) started working.

Pure hypocracy.

So why do you need everything ever recorded by Flook.
& you pay nothing, zero, nada, zip.
I am a strong proponent of music for the masses but the Celtic Circle was taking it all & giving what in return?
Thanks for broadcasting the music. Do the people listening buy the CDs?
BTW I have gotten some very good deals on the internet & exactly how long is ‘forever?’ Everything is in flux but give credit to the artists. Money happens to be the common commodity for now.

If you contact some of the musicians & tell them you have an Irish broadcast they will start sending you CDs.
They will probably even want to come & play.

Sheep,

Why is ‘making contact with Compass records or Green Linnet for sending me cds [is] close to impossible?’ All you need to do is contact the PR person at Compass (who own Green Linnet now, by the way) and let her know that you’d be interested in being added to their mailing list. She’ll probably jump at the chance to expand the label’s market - PM me for her address.

And you’re confusing at least two very big issues. Firstly, if someone posts a whole independently released album by (let’s call them) The Kinnegad Slashers on a site like The Celtic Circle then TKS don’t benefit in any way, but lose out on the potential wholesale price of every album downloaded (which otherwise might have been purchased from the band’s website).

Secondly, the musicians you play on your radio show are only getting a fee for the publishing rights (and this will be miniscule compared to the amount they might have received if you’d actually purchased their album).

Piracy of other people’s music is not good - it’s theft. The market is not flooded with MP3 files of ITM. If your radio audience is constantly demanding new material then I suggest that you start re-educating it.

MacCruiskeen

I agree generally with your statements on piracy, Clearly, it is wrong to deprive musicians of their earnings. However, I do not think that situation is quite as clear cut as you say. Many people have original tapes and vinyls of celtic material, which they have already paid for, but which have deteriorated due to age and use. Maybe it was then justifiable for them to download ‘clean’ mp3 duplicates via the Celtic Circle. There were also a number of posts of albums which were either out of copyright or old and rare enough to be now impossible to obtain. Therefore, there may have been justification in downloading these too. Closing the Board without warning may have punished the guilty users, who will probably easily find downloads elswhere, but it has also punished those who were innocent, or thought they were.

What do you think?

I totally agree with you, belmal.

I used the download site to get hold of several vinyl records that I could not possibly have sourced anywhere else - usually very limited release stuff from the seventies. I’d lay money the original artists never made money from them in the first place, never mind being bothered about them all these years later.

As you say, the large scale latest release downloaders will just go elsewhere.

The first ITM I ever heard was borrowed from the library. Since then I have bought literally hundreds of LPs and CDs.

I gave ‘illegal’ tape copies to several friends. They in turn have massive record/CD collections based on musical tastes they would never have developed otherwise.

I think Dick Gaughan’s thoughts on this are appropriate as well - google his website and see what he says about copyright infringement!

Tania - My college gives very little funds to the radio so I don’t have ANY Irish cd’s there (oh wait, I forgot Enya). That means that every single CD I do play there comes out of my pocket, I have around 40-50 Irish cd’s but since a program is usually an hour long, that mean I need 14 tracks. 14 tracks = 14 CD’s. So at the end of the day, if I want to give my audience a variety of bands and a variety of styles - I can’t play the same cd’s all the time, I need new material.

So yes, I just bought two NPU’s Uilleann pipes tutorial DVD’s, and I can afford it, but buying new Irish cd’s all the time, just to be able to play new bands on the radio is out of my budget.

In conclusion - Radiohead has just released their album FREE OF CHARGE, mp3 files, on their site. This is the future, and piracy sets it, it’s not right - I agree with bc_box_play - those who want to pay for cds will continue paying (like I do), and those who download will find other sites to download from.

MacCruiskeen - PM on the way, thanks!

Tonya, that is 🙂

Free music has been around for ever.
That is not something created by the new order.