What is a triplet?
Is a triplet the same thing as “short roll” or “long roll” ect….
Is a triplet the same thing as “short roll” or “long roll” ect….
What instrument do you play?
In this music in general, a triplet is three notes in the space normally filled by one quarter note (or two eighth notes).
3 ounces of rye…
“Is a triplet the same thing as ”short roll“ or ”long roll“ ect….”
What’s an ‘ect…’ ? 😏
LOL, it’s also a swig from a bottle of Powers, eh? “Three swallows.”
When D2 becomes (3DDD
When FD becomes (3FED
When B2 becomes (3BcB or (3BdB or (3BBB or (3BgB
However, sometimes it the following can be considered to move in that general direction, if not specifically ~
When DFD becomes DF/E/D or D2 E becomes DD/D/E or D/D/DE
And there’s D/D/DD and DD/D/D to consider…
“Powers!” ~ AAAAA!!! And I mistook you for a Jameson man…
Crested Ten for me…
M: 4/4 ~ also
DF F2 to DF F/F/F ~ Sometimes written ~ DF (3FFF
or DF F/G/F ~ DF (3F^EF
DEFD ~ to ~ DE F/E/D ~ or ~ DE (3FED
“Powers” is lighter fluid. Good poteen is better…
From someone obviously not conversant with this music, I don’t think that quoting abcs to explain the diddley bits is helpful. A quick listen to how the midi player here plays them should explain why.
Ah, another person who thinks they can learn the technical intricacies of traditional Irish music from a message board.
What is a triplet? Ask your teacher to demonstrate it.
Like a twin, but more of them.
For goodness sake, don’t play them the way the midi sounds. Not if you mean the kind that can be used in spots where a roll can also be used.
This young lady does a reasonable job on them, I think:
Although some people call them “trebles” instead, arguing that a triplet would have three even notes to fill the space. In the so-called “cat sneeze” or “scratchy” triplet, they’re often uneven in length.
At least, that’s what I have been told. Easier said than done. I have always had Trouble with Trebles.
Catalan children’s book
“C” I’d rather a glass of Red Breast (over Jamesons), actually. Agreed on the flammable character of Powers, but I’ve been known to follow the label’s mandate when proferred a bottle.
If your talking bowed triplets - then this is the clip to watch and the player to watch, no one does em like Siobhan Peoples
In conventional music terminology, a triplet is made of 3 notes of equal length played within the space of one beat, e.g. ta-ta-ta.
Not so in Irish traditional music (ITM) when playing a reel. Usually if sheet music notates a triplet, it should NOT be played as a conventional triplet, but as two sixteenth notes and an eighth note in one beat, something like t-d-DA.
When playing a hornpipe, the ITM triplet is the same as the conventional triplet.
Such is my experience.
Hope that helps.
Did someone mention lighter fluid?
What have you got in your toolbox?? You’ve got ANTIFREEZE!!
You fool Withnail, you should never mix your drinks!!!
I’m a triplet. My brother and sister were born the same day as me.
You see…. when a man and a woman love each other……….
InSearchofCraic’s technical definition is correct. It’s the evenly spaced division of what was 4 or 2 into 3. And what most people in this music call triplets are a actually two sixteenth notes and an eighth note (or the other way round). This is the classic banjo thing.
But in really good playing, there is a lot of subtle movement between the two. Listen to Matt Molloy playing The Groves on his first record (the black one - it would be criminal if absolutely every one who posts here doesn’t have this recording). It’s a hornpipe for sure, but he plays it almost straight with subtle variations in the swing. Some of the “triplets” are very very even divisions of 2 or 4 into 3, especially the skiperty bit in the first part. But then in the last two parts it’s more sixteenth notes and an eighth note. But then in the last time through the last part, he puts in a magical fast roll right on the 1st beat and the subsequent sixteenth notes and an eighth note become more even.
It’s this level of subtlety that really makes this music the masterful art form it is.
I ran across a piece of music by Jule Styne, “Everything is Coming up Roses” from the Broadway play “Gypsy” that has a whole not eand a half note in triplet form, not just once but several times throughout the melody, so outside of Irish Tunes, I would guess that any combination of notes can be made into a triplet as long as they are played in one beat.
L: 1/8 is the value of 1 = 1/8, and D2 = 1/4, and D/ = 1/16, roughly. This is the time to start to learn your ABCs if you haven’t already ~ but thinking in fractions ain’t a bad other perspective on all this ~
Steve Mansfield’s introduction
Admitting ‘criminality’? ~ I don’t actually like Matt Molloy’s playing. We’ve NONE of his recordings… But I am definitely in favour of subtlety, but sometimes knocking a nail requires a hammer instead of smothering it with a cotton cloth and expecting it will enter the wood of its own free will…
“What is a triplet? Ask your teacher to demonstrate it.” ~ ask anyone and everyone, and there’s nothing wrong with airing it here. I mean, you rate, Llig has entered the fray… And there’s Will and talk of drink… Yes, I also like Bourbon and well aged rums too, and I’ve even had my eyelashes and eyebrows singed in that interest…
As usual, I’d go with mcdevincabe, ask someone on your chosen instrument, to show you, but if you’ve a teacher, that’s even better. Most folks are more than happy to help, in the right situation, and to show, so your ears and eyes can be educated simultaneously. However, close one or the other to get both in focus. Having worked with all ages with learning problems ~ EVERY POSSIBLE PERSPECTIVE ~ is needed. Don’t limit how you ask or where you look, and there’s nothing wrong at all with starting by asking here and getting some kind of start. But, as others have been saying ~ in the end it is down to your ears and your senses, listen, watch and eventually give it a try and feel your way to an answer. But trashing other options is just bully tactics. Nothing is wrong, but some things will get you there quicker and raise your understanding to the level you need if you’re going to emulate the thing in question ~ play triplets and all their variations and subtleties, whatever instrument or music you fancy…
Nice clip bb, all round… ~ teaching ~ “more through friendship than dictatorship”…
Well said InSearchofCraic…
We still haven’t heard what instrument(s) Ruine plays? 😏
= a small skip, which can be on purpose or by accident, but not generally resulting in a fall or any injury…
Some interesting evolutions have occurred in following the ways of instruments other than the one you play, so furthering the perspective expanding side of this ~ also ask players of other instruments what a triplet is, or triplets in their several guises, and ask them to show you and your ears and eyes what they are by example. Some great things are had from trying to emulate the way of one instrument with a different one… And, there’s all the other bits with regards to instruments of directionality ~ like to do with bows and picks and bellows… And for winds ~ the to use or not or abuse by breaking the flow in various ways…usually described as tonguing…
Alright, a note ~ A, the one some folks tune to
Timing, basics only, can be straight and equal, or 1 - 2 - 3 = AAA
It can be quick-quick-slow--- = A/A/ A
It can be slow---quick-quick- = A A/A/
But, beyond basics, it doesn’t end there…
It can be on the one note repeating ~ AAA
It can be up ~ ABc
It can be down AGF
It can be up and down and down and up ~ ABA ~ AGA
It isn’t limited to the ‘next step’ ~ ABA ~ AdA ~ AFA ~ ADA ~
It can move in larger steps up and down ~ ABd ~ AFD
But, the most common ways are either on the same note repeating ~ BBB ~ B B/B/ ~ B/B/ B ~ B/ B B/ ~
or between notes of a third ~
DF / D>F ~ D/E/ F ~ D E/F/ ~ (3DEF
& similarly with the following ~
EG / E>G ~ (3EFG
FA / F>A ~ (3FGA
GB / G>B ~ (3GAB
Ac / A>c ~ (3ABc
Bd / B>d ~ (3Bcd
& the other way, down, of course ~
between notes of a third ~
FD / F>D ~ F/E/ D ~ F E/D/ ~ (3FED
Go out and ask and let your ears and eyes and heart enjoy how others do it… Once your mind and heart has a hold of it, then in time it will come out in your playing, with time and patience…
Ideally, you won’t like every way, you’ll select what best suits your general character and interest… But appreciation of differences is proof of a valuable understanding…
Oh, yes, and dear Llig, not liking something doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate it… 😉
A triplet is 3 posts in a row from Ceolachan, not necessarily all of the same length, of course (this is Irish music, after all).
What’s happened to Ruine (who asked the question), by the way? Are you still there Ruine? What instrument do you play (it’s important when considering triplets)?
haha! A triplet of my own!
Someone is smiling de Selby…well, outright chuckling is more like it… (You haven’t seen the bit on ‘rosewoods’ yet I take it?) 😉
I get so confused by the terminology. Triplets I thought were three notes squashed into exactly the same space, time-wise, as two (I nearly said space-time but my name ain’t Hawkins). I don’t know what crans are or cuts or grace-notes or short rolls or ordinary rolls or long rolls. I can do you a blow-bend though. Or a double-stop. Or a jaw-flick. Sod this. Just listen to good players of the stuff and emulate, not copy. We can disappear up our own bums discussing this and reproducing obscure fragments of notation or ABC. There’s many a fine player who can do all the above with panache who don’t even know what a bleedin’ crotchet is. Listen and learn!
Steve, with the best musicians, the timing is way way more subtle than merely three notes squashed into exactly the same time as two. The timing of it is inextricably linked to the subtleties of swing, though on a more micro level.
But listen hard, yes. (Steve, give that Malloy hornpipe whirl)
Now it’s Malloy, I thought you said Molloy last time? 😉
What is a Malloy hornpipe whirl? Is that anything like a Walnut Whip? I find those far too sweet, and besides, I don’t like that vegetable fat chocolate. What is it, like 30% or less of the real stuff?
I know it’s more subtle,but it’s still three notes squashed into exactly the same time length as two innit? Innit?? Answers more subtle than that are pointless. The point is to get out there and listen.
An alcoholic beverage made layering three different liquors of different colours… “Hick!” ~
“Three turtle doves, two French hens, and a partridge in a pear tree…”
TImewise, in the space of one beat = D2 = DD = (3DDD = D/D/ D = D D/D/ = D/ D D/ ~
I did write Ruine, but they never came back, sadly… 🙁