Tunes doubling with songs,help please

Tunes doubling with songs,help please

Some tunes are handy for playing as dances,but also are well known as songs eg Star of the County Down,Follow me up to Carlow,Rocky Road to Dublin,McBreen’s Heifers(Washerwoman).These are fun when there’s a singer, so one can play around with it eg play only first, then add the singing(like Beethoven’s 9th ha ha). Or whatever.
I’m looking for examples of others please.Any offers out there?

Also,I’m looking for a tune to go with Star of County Down,doing it just as a tune set.
Thanks

Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

The Rollicking Boys Around Tandragee — jim,,,

First jig here,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfGHYRURQEM&feature=related


Song,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plGA0bMPpwA



The Rollicking Boys Around Tandragee

[print]
(Trad)
Good luck to all here now barring the cat
That sits in the corner there smelling a rat
O wheesht your philandering girls and behave
And saving you presence, I’ll chant you a stave
I come from the land where the pritties grow big
And the boys neat and handy can swirl in a jig
And the girls they would charm your heart for to see
Those darling colleens around Tandragee

So here’s to the boys who are happy and gay
Singing and dancing and tearing away
Rollicksome, frollicksome, frisky and free
We’re the rollicking boys around Tandragee

No doubt you have heard of Killarney I’m sure
And sweet Innishowen for a drop of the pure
Dublin’s the place for the strawberry beds
And Donnybrook Fair for the cracking of heads
Have you e’er seen an Irishman dancing palltog
How he faces his partner and turns up his brogue
He shakes at the buckle and bends at the knee
They’re wonderful dancers in Tandragee

Here’s to the boys who are happy and gay
Singing and dancing and tearing away
Rollicksome, frollicksome, frisky and free
We’re the rollicking boys around Tandragee

Now the oul jaunting car is an elegant joult
And Derry’s a place that is famed for a hoult
Among the green bushes that grow in Tyrone
And the County Fermanagh for muscle and bone
But for feasting and dancing and fun at the fair
Sure there’s no one can match with the Rakes of Kildare
Green Erin’s my country, the gem of the sea
But the gem of oul Ireland is Tandragee

Here’s to the boys who are happy and gay
Singing and dancing and tearing away
Rollicksome, frollicksome, frisky and free
We’re the rollicking boys around Tandragee

O where is the man, either Christian or Turk
Could equal the bold Robert Emmett or Burke
O where is the lawyer can speak up like Dan
The devil another, bad luck to the one
And where is the singer can sing like Tom Moore
Whose melodies charm all dull care from your door
But we’ll beat them all yet boys, and that you will see
For we’re raring fine fellows round Tandragee

So here’s to the boys who are happy and gay
Singing and dancing and tearing away
Rollicksome, frollicksome, frisky and free
We’re the rollicking boys around Tandragee

Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

If only looking for an instrumental set, then a geographical link could be a switch into the jig "The Girls of Banbridge".

All the best

Brian x

Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

Jim, thanks ~ I didn’t know Tandragee was a song!

Some more songs that are common tunes and vice versa:
The Hag with the Money (Cailleach an Airgead)
Kitty Lie Over
Lannigan’s Ball
Larry O’Gaff’s (Humours of Whiskey)
An Seanduinne Doite (The Burnt Old Man)
Na Ceannabhain Bhana
The Frieze Breeches (Cunla)

As far as a tune to go with Star of County Down, I wonder if you play it in 3/4 or 4/4. If you have a 4/4 setting, Bonaparte Crossing The Rhine goes with it pretty well.

Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

Johnny cope hornpipe and song of scottish origin

Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

From the Northumbrian tradition, there is a song to the fine slow air / waltz / jig tune Felton Lonnin.

Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

And here’s another - jim,,,

The Devil and the Bailiff
(Cathal MacGarvey)

One fine pleasant evening last summer
I was strolling through Carhirciveen
When a pair of quare playboys collogin’
Before me I happened to see.
Now to know what these boyo’s were up to
In a trifle I hastened me walk
And begor I soon learned their profession
When I got within line of their talk.

Well on of these lads was the divil
The other was bailiff McGlynn
And the one was as nice as the other
For both were as ugly as sin.
Says the ould lad,
"Ye know I’m the divil and you are a bailiff I see"
"It’s the divil himself" says the bailiff
"Oh well that bates the divil" says he.

Then a young lad ran out of a cottage
And off with him over the fields.
"May the divil take you" says his mother
As she rattled a stone off his heels.
"Arrah why don’t you take the young rascal,
"Your Highness," the Bailiff he cried.
"Ah! twas not from her heart the wish it came,"
The divil he smiling replied.

Close by a small plot of potatoes
A bonham was striving to dig
When the owner ran out and she shouted,
"May the divil take you for a pig."
Say the bailiff, "Now there’s a fine offer,
Why not take the bonham?" says he.
Sez the divil, "Her lips only said it,
And that’s not sufficient for me."

As they jogged on a young man espied them
And into his mother he fled
Shouting, "Oh, mother dear here’s the bailiff,"
Well she clasped her two hands and she said,
"MAY THE DIVIL TAKE THAT UGLY BAILIFF."
Says the divil, "Begob that I’ll do.
It was straight from her heart the wish it came,
So Bailiff McGlynn I’LL TAKE YOU."


The bailiff was one of the most feared and reviled people in Ireland in the
nineteenth century. In this song he gets his. (paraphrased from liner notes on
Brendan Nolan’s CD "Across the Great Divide"

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Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

Always followed "Star of County Down" with Morrison’s Jig (Not Van)

Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

I always follow the song ‘Star of the Co Down’ with Rodney’s Glory played in the same tempo or sometimes a little livelier than the song.
The song ‘Can’t help falling in love with you’ followed by Crowley’s Polka. Different but it works.

Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

Waxie’s Dargle aka the Girl I Left Behind has lyrics to it and is a fun polka to play.

Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

The Girl I Left Behind also has words that were common in the US Navy in WWII that I wouldn’t put down here, even if they would get through the filters….

Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

Fidkid’s comment that he didn’t know there were words to a tune has set me thinking. Here’s a wee question: do you play tunes that you learned as song tunes differently from tunes that you just learned as tunes?

I think I do. I was watching Masterchef the other day and someone piped in a haggis to the typical tune of A Man’s A Man For A’ That. Now, I’m not saying the piper played it wrong, but they played it far faster and with different phrasing and fewer snaps than I would play it. I suspect it’s because I know it primarily as a ballad for singing.

I’m wondering if I learned a tune first to play and then later words to sing, would it change the way I play the tune?

Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

I figure yes definitely.When I play, it’s from the tune in my head and if that’s the ‘singing’ style/speed that’s likely to come out.And vice versa….the singer who knows it primarily as a tune,then sings it, is likely to sing faster and with more rigid rhythm than one who learnt it as a song when lyrics are more likely to drive the song.
Never thought about that before!

Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

Sometimes I like playing a tune/song melody with the lyrics going through my head. I think I do articulate it differently. Like a slow (or not so slow) air. Other times, even if I’m aware that a tune has lyrics, I play it purely for the music itself in terms of where to put rolls and variations. Sometimes this happens in the same tune, like Lannigan’s Ball — it’s hard to get the lyrics to the chorus out of my head when I play the B part.

"The Star of the County Down" ~ 3/4 of 4/4?

3/4
https://thesession.org/tunes/9747
4/4
https://thesession.org/tunes/4320

As it is for dance I would suspect you want to keep in the time signature, and that you might also prefer the bar/measure count to be the same.

Other song airs you might consider, and I’m not so sure that mixing up song airs in sets is a great idea, especially if there is going to be some singing, but if you were to make a set you might consider the likes of "The Mourne Shore" ("Down by the Sally Gardens") or "The Foggy Dew"?

Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

I wasn’t thinking of doing as part of a set.
More: say, sing the song ,then let the music take off?
Or maybe: play the music,and then someone joins in with the singing…just an idea for a bit of variety..
You don’t think it would work?

Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

Goodbye Muirsheen Durkin fits well in a polka set.

>>he song ‘Can’t help falling in love with you’<<
aka "Plaisir d’Amour" before that

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Dublin in the green
Roddy McCauley
Star of county down
Kitty from Coleraine
Sash

Re: Tunes doubling with songs,help please

That’d be a fun set in Scotland, Geoff!

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