Dance figures for Seneca Square Dance

Dance figures for Seneca Square Dance

Does anybody know if there are any ?
Is it just a generic title ?
We were playing it at a session at a festival last year, here in the UK, and somebody asked me if i knew of an actual Seneca Square Dance dance. My New England contacts haven’t come up with any information. I’ve still got the lady’s contact details in my diary, and feel disappointed I can’t answer her.

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Pete I’ve been around the dance community here in the states for a long time and have never heard of a particular dance to that tune, I know it was recorded under this title by Sam Long of Arkansas back in the 20’s or 30’s. If you were to contact Bob Dalsemer at the John C. Campbell Folk School he would probably know for sure.

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As best I know GP there isn’t. However, I also know folks that know a hell of a lot more on the subject than me, and are still involved in old time music and dance and I’ll ask for you and come back and let you know. In the meantime ~


Ry Cooder - Seneca Square Dance - ‘The Long Riders’ Soundtrack.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLuOVE5DRUQ


Tuneswappers - Old Time Fiddle Tune - Seneca Square Dance - Dave Reiner & Andy Reiner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC5d5eHfaws


seneca square dance on fiddle and banjo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lapPIGijReI


A member’s transcription - Nigel Gatherer
http://www.nigelgatherer.com/
http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/tab/tab10/senec.html

Seneca Square Dance

A good transcription for this wouldn’t go amiss here… ;-)

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A whole lot of info there. I knew if I posted a serious request, instead of my usual flippant retorts, some good stuff would come out.
Yep, I think I probably first heard it on "The Long Riders" soundtrack too.
Apparently Jeff and Beau Bridges were the guys originally slated to play the Ford brothers for the film, but they couldn’t make the deadlines due to other commitments - they would have added a whole extra layer of gravitas and energy to a fine film.

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Pete - For what it’s worth, I have a copy of a publication entitled "Square Dancin’ by Les Gotcher, World’s Champion Caller" (Beechwood Music Corporation, 1950).

"Seneca Square" is not listed in there - so maybe is simply tune, as had already been suggested.

Q. How DO you get to be able to describe yourself as the "World’s Champion Caller?

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On session.org, we’re really just on the periphery of this kind of stuff …

… might be a better idea to go "straight to the horse’s mouth", and send an email to these folks:

http://www.uksquaredancing.com/

Good luck!

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Searching for it in the American Memory Collection at the Library of Congress gives you a page for Henry Reed’s version of it, which he called "Greasy String" (Reed was not very good with names). And an extraordinary number of alternate titles collected by Alan Jabbour - maybe there’s a dance for it under a different name?

Seneca Square Dance
Old Raccoon
Running from the Federals
Hell among the Yearlin’s
Raccoon’s Tail
Coon Dog
Heel Flies
Rock Along John to Kansas
Get Away from the Federals, or Fall of Paris
Shoot the Turkey Buzzard

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Thanks Jack, that’s a help. Once I’m back and have cleared some chores and responsibilities that will give me something more to work from. I love curiosity when distractions are badly needed… ;-)

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Hey Boots, here’s the Sam Long version on slippery-hill (transcript of tune appears in the Milliner/Koken collection).

http://slippery-hill.com/M-K/GDAE/G/Seneca.mp3

Not sure if this will hyperlink - but you can always copy and paste if interested.

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Thanks I have it on tape from a collector friend, it’s a good tune. There also a transcription Seneca Square Dance by that name in Ira Ford’s "Traditional Music of America" published in 1940 as well as one of Running From the Federals.

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Thanks for the information, Boots. Heard about it often enough, but I’ve never seen a copy of Ira Ford’s book, although I would like to see it.

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Jim. I’ll have to try doing some scans sometime.

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Somewhere in this house is the Ira Ford book. I’m still looking, but haven’t yet heard back from the few contacts I’d sent a query out to, so still looking when I’ve got some spare time…

Enjoyed the Sam Long take on it, thanks…

“Waiting For The Federals” / “Seneca Square Dance”

Submitted on August 29th 2003 by dafydd.
https://thesession.org/tunes/3125

It took a little time to sink in, for me to remember another name for this, which we do already have in the database here, dear dafydd’s… :-/ ;-)

It would be good for some of us to contribute some transcriptions to the ‘comments’.