Have we logged all the ‘old’ traditional tunes…

Have we logged all the ‘old’ traditional tunes…

…and so now is the tradition ‘creating’ new tunes, and if so, how does this sit within the ‘tradition’? Only, after several decades of playing within the ‘tradition’ the titles become more and more, or even less and less, of the ‘music’. Yes, I know we must move on, but how do players and listeners find the new breed of tune?

(Tongue in cheek, but interested!)

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< Yes, I know we must move on, but >
I think be it ( CD’s, Mps3, Youtube, and the Internet, )
We are moving away from Typicial Irish Melody’s - To, Modern World Folk ?
ie / From,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0CTHmQ2Jus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvdqTMdaquc

ie / To,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-ttrQ38mOc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTMvRbfwQYg

jim,,,
PS,
I Must Get a new walking stick for next Year - lol…

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I guess by "logged" you mean here, in the Tunes section. My response must be "no way". There are surely hundreds, if not thousands, of traditional tunes in old books, unpublished collections and manuscripts that have not yet appeared here. For example, one easily accessible (and free) resource on IMSLP is the 3-volume "Complete Collection of Irish Music" by George Petrie (1790-1866) — http://imslp.org/wiki/The_Complete_Collection_of_Irish_Music_(Petrie,_George).

R.I.P. w/The Old, Hackneyed Rubbish > > creating new material ;-)

Speak for yourself! I’m still logging the **old** stuff…
Paul O’Shaughnessy - Ed Reavy’s Highland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ_phZBOhHw


Sandy bell´s edinburgh Man down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPZ7FiXQeUU


A Taste of Rum - Peatbog Faeries
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0UF1i1u7Yg


Bowed Triplets ~ JimViolin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkbYKmU4B-Y

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Great choice of videos to illustrate your point. A traditional reel with flute and fiddle is a bit like reading Beowulf in Old English - very soulful, all the roots exposed, but a bit of a struggle. The newer music is more like Beowulf in modern English (by a good poet). The roots and soul are still there, but it really shows off some grat creativity.

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Go back to source..

All very well culling tunes from old collections Trevor but more to the point, go and listen yet to the older musicians still playing in Ireland or elsewhere presumably and you’ll hear tunes that are not widely known or ‘written down’.

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TWH, I agree. That’s the ideal scenario of course, but unfortunately it is not given for everyone to travel and search out original live sources. I think we must be grateful for the existence of the old collections, without which a large number of tunes would have disappeared without trace. What one must do with tunes from the collections is not to play them literally from the dots but to use the dots as a guide to recreating the tunes as living music.

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Once I thought I had written a tune, then I heard something very like it (not identical, but very like it) being played by another musicican. It was a variation, but close enough for me to think, "Why bother?".
I discarded it.

I am sure that, mathematically, many more different combinations of notes in different times or tempos are possible, but when I page through O’Neill’s or other extensive collections, I find that an awful lot of what the music has to say has already been said. Some of it bore repeating, some did not, granted, jsut look at any session lists - evidently The Butterfly or The Kid On The Mountain and such DID bear repeating, while Kiss Her Under The Coverlets did not as much.

But:
Have we reached a point where composers, to make any really new statement, will either have to go around re-inventing the wheel (technically new but really nothing new), or reach otuside of "traditional" guidelines or rules (for lack of a better term) and it will no longer be "traditional"?

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Ah, sin scéal eile, Piece..

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Wait!!
I use to know what that meant, but I never get to practice now.

Hang on, now ….. got it!!

OK -
"Tá mé bosca peann luaidhe dearg."

Right?
(I love French)

danke schoen,
Herr Hussar!
;-)

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You could write out the dots to every tune in Petrie, sure, but an awful lot of his collection isn’t all that interesting. An awful awful lot of it isn’t dance music too.

Mostly these days I’m attempting to set down tunes that have caught my fancy but that I can’t always recall off the top of my head, unlike the Connaughtman’s Rambles etc which are impossible to forget by this stage. Usually I’m finding that someone’s done the work already, conveniently enough. Sometimes I’ll submit a tune here, go to the work of writing it out, then find out it was written down by John Chambers back in 1992, which isn’t encouraging, either.

Oddball tunes that are still floating around: you already have a lifetime’s supply of those in Ceol Rince 1-5/Johnny O’Leary/etc., not to mention online databases. Do you really need to learn more of them? Will anyone you play with care that you took the trouble?

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It’s nearly impossible to tell… with all the different names and versions it takes the watchful eyes and ears of participants here to ferret out the similarities and identify duplicates. Jeremy would have to change the search function dramatically and perhaps it’s impossible to have a search engine do the work for us. It’s best just to carry on and hope for the best when researching tunes here and elsewhere.

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I think you have the situation pegged, Phantom.
I wonder, though, about how dominant the collection of tunes "live" is, as opposed to via recordings and printed material. Might be a valid thread (often done before, of course) to ask, "Where do most active sessioneers acquire tunes nowadays?"

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