“…the epitome of true innovation by virtue of the fact that his understanding of the tradition was so grounded as to allow him to be primed for innovation which flowed through him”

“…the epitome of true innovation by virtue of the fact that his understanding of the tradition was so grounded as to allow him to be primed for innovation which flowed through him”

I am looking to gather as many opinions as part of a project I am carrying out at Newcastle University. If you are happy to take part please respond! Thanks Fiana.

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I regard myself as a reasonably intelligent member of the human species but that gobbledygook is beyond me - are you sure you haven’t been taking something 🙂

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TWH: If I read the OP correctly you just volunteered !

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I think I understand what the gobbledegook is trying to say, but to be honest, my reaction to the OP’s out-of-context sentence fragment is still, "Huh?’

What are you proposing to research? I just don’t see how one can get any meaningful data from what the self-selected respondents to the out of context sentence fragment write. Especially as the most likely responses are undoubtedly going to be wisearse anyway.

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It would be nice to know the context from which this quotation was taken, as any comment without it would be as meaningless as the quotation itself appears to be.
Or; as Wounded Hussar said above.

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I think your best bet is to send that quote to Private Eye magazine. They won’t help you pass your exam, but you’ll get a tenner if they publish it in Pseuds Corner.

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LOL, Skreech!

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Don’t laugh Spear! I’m kicking myself for deleting "Help ! Dr Spear ?" from my post just before yours. 🙂

Re: “…the epitome of true innovation by virtue of the fact that his understanding of the tradition was so grounded as to allow him to be primed for innovation which flowed through him”

What is a pervious statement?

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One that things like innovation can flow through. I think I got that bit.

Oh no ! You mean it was a typo ?

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Sounds positively pornographic

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As a respond, I’ll quote from Theodor Adorno’s "Aesthetic Theory".
(Translation by myself, and everything entirely out of context of course….)

"The tradition isn’t to be negated abstractly, but to be criticised unnaively in accordance with the current status; this way the current construes the past."

Re: “…the epitome of true innovation by virtue of the fact that his understanding of the tradition was so grounded as to allow him to be primed for innovation which flowed through him”

Just a guess, but isn’t the quote from Mícheál Ó Súilleabháin in reference to Tommie Potts?

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Ah now you might be beginning to make sense! - but why not just say, ‘Sure, he had his own way with the tunes’…

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What happened to our schools?

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I am not sure what sort of opinion you are seeking. I cannot comment on the accuracy of the statement without knowing about whom it was made. If you are asking whether a player should be thoroughly grounded in the tradition before taking liberties with it, then I’m inclined to agree. If you’re asking about the language in which the question is phrased, I’d say it’s slightly pretentious.

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Did they not teach you the proper way to gather information? As has been pointed out, lifting statements out of context doesn’t help us help you.

Who is "he"? Is "he" Tommie Potts? Or is it Martin Hayes. Or is it Llig? Whilst there may be some merit in removing the name from the statement when seeking our opinions, I can’t offer an opinion here. If the person was a rubbish innovator, then I disagree, if they were a great innovator, maybe I agree, maybe I don’t.

So some more context would be great, and I’d love to help you out. But I can’t at the moment.

Also this discussion title is far too long. It fills up so much of my phone I have to scroll for hours.

Re: “…the epitome of true innovation by virtue of the fact that his understanding of the tradition was so grounded as to allow him to be primed for innovation which flowed through him”

I’m pretty certain now that the quotation definitely refers to Tommie Potts.

If I could only lay my hands on my copy of the Crossroads Conference book, I’d be able to confirm it.

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Scutcher is correct.

To quote Ó Súilleabháin:
"What is highly significant about Tommie Potts is that he is called upon as the epitome of tradition, on the one hand, and as the epitome of innovation, on the other. I believe I can show conclusively here that he is the epitome of true innovation by virtue of the fact that his understanding of tradition was so grounded as to allow him to be primed for the innovation which flowed through him."

Quoted from a previous thread
https://thesession.org/discussions/23982
Fourth last comment.

‘Sure, he had his own way with the tunes’

All you need to know..

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"…the epitome of true innovation by virtue of …" is a bad piece of quoting.
"… I can show…by virtue of…" is more logical, if still clumsy. Be careful how you present your questions if you want sensible answers.
"I am looking to gather as many opinions as part of a project…" doesn’t make sense either. I hope you succeed in your project, but you won’t do it like this.

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No.

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Baloney.

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I don’t think the question makes sense. The quote is incomplete and the main verb of the sentence is not included — and so as such it isn’t even a statement.

The correct quote (thank you, GraemeO), makes perfect sense. I would agree with the general sentiment, although I could quibble with some of the stated assumptions.

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I think there is still some working out that could be done in regards to the grammatical correctness. Now I am of the opinion that any grammar is good grammar as long as the intended meaning is conveyed. In that sense I think the only reason I really understand it is because I share his sentiment (albeit about other players then Tommy Potts).

But I don’t think that if I didn’t already understand the sentiment, I could decipher it.

>_<
(That Tommy Potts Comment is going to get me in a lot of trouble!!!)

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But, Fiddler3, the complete quote wouldn’t have fit into the subject line, so the OP had to make a compromise… 😛

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I think the title of this thread should be longer…

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I was going to say, i dont think anyone who eventually replied would have decided not to read this thread if its subject was just "Look At Me"

Re: “…the epitome of true innovation by virtue of the fact that his understanding of the tradition was so grounded as to allow him to be primed for innovation which flowed through him”

"What is a pervious statement?"

Surely the response to the OP must be; this statement is full of holes, it’ll never hold water.

Re: “…the epitome of true innovation by virtue of the fact that his understanding of the tradition was so grounded as to allow him to be primed for innovation which flowed through him”

The epitome of true innovation is through the understanding and grounding within the tradition and this allows for innovation. If that is easier to understand a reaction to the paraphrased version with a sincere response would be nice. It is now a statement so agree or disagree and why is my question

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I am still not understanding what you are getting at, Mr. 123. I understand why your title cuts off, as there is a character limit, but your last sentence also trails off. Clarity and grammar are something you are going to have to work on if you want to succeed at the university level, I am afraid.
Regarding the original statement, once they parse out all the professorial fluff, I think most folks would be in general agreement with what you say. Unfortunately, the words of professors are rarely the shortest distance between two points.

Re: “…the epitome of true innovation by virtue of the fact that his understanding of the tradition was so grounded as to allow him to be primed for innovation which flowed through him”

Ok, so it becomes "The epitome of true innovation is through the understanding and grounding within the tradition and this allows for innovation."

-OR PERHAPS? -

"In short, true innovation arises through the understanding and grounding within the tradition. This understanding and grounding allows for innovation."

Is that what you’re getting at?

"If that is easier to understand a reaction to the paraphrased version with a sincere response would be nice. It is now a statement so agree or disagree and why is my question."

I don’t know. I can’t agree or disagree because it depends on many factors. But perhaps, because *the best* innovators IMO opinion would be people like Martin Hayes, Caoimhín Ó Raghallaigh, Tommie Potts, or even Brian Finnegan & Aidan O’Rourke in KAN - they certainly have a grounding in the tradition and an apparent deep understanding, and they’re pretty good innovators.

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Of course !
Yes ! Newcastle University !
NOW I understand…..she’s doing the folk music course…….
…..and she wants us to help her.
Come on, lass. Do your own work. Don’t expect us to.

Re: “…the epitome of true innovation by virtue of the fact that his understanding of the tradition was so grounded as to allow him to be primed for innovation which flowed through him”

There’s that.

And from the perspective of someone who’s taught some undergraduates, I have to say that the responses of a small number of random internet users to a confusingly worded question is probably not meaningful data that will help you write up your project.

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Great. So nowadays you can get a degree facilitated by copying a quote from one website onto another, asking people what it means, copying & pasting their answers then taking the credit for it. Trouble is, if the tutors who gave the work are worth their salt they’ll know about this website, so they’ll be watching. I hope anyway. 🙂
As Pete says, go and do your own bloody homework.

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Be aware that some people will have to look up the word "epitome" either because they don’t know what it means or because they may suspect that it have a specific ‘jargon’ meaning. They will find different ‘definitions’ and not be sure which is intended in an incomplete sentence taken out of its context.

If you bounded the quotation within plain English I doubt anyone would have bothered about your typo "pervious". As it is the meaning of what you actually typed has to be assessed and disregarded - or made fun of.

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It is a typical pseudish comment from ITMs equivalent of Liberace.
I do not like Tommy Potts playing, he has an uncanny ability through his idiosyncratic bowing of making tunes sound out of time, it is extraordinarily clever, but not to my taste

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The original quote, the quote in the heading, and the subsequent "question" are so full of grammatical and logical holes that I find it impossible to respond in any helpful way.

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"so full of grammatical and logical holes "

Pervious?

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"ITMs equivalent of Liberace"

I can’t see the connection, other than a keyboard.

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Sounds like a fancy way of saying ‘You gotta know the rules before you can break ‘em’

As for the ‘pervious’ bit, I think it must have something to do with Aahz, the deveel from the dimension Perv in Robert Aspirin’s Myth-Adventures books????? (gleep!)

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Maybe this thread is just a decoy, and actually *we* are the subject of this study?
Like, how does the internet mustard scene react on a scrappy disjointed citation without any further information?
(… rather lively, as it seems… 😲)

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Mr. 123, Would you please post your final report on the project that your working on when you are done?

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I got something similar from the Council when I tried to get exemption from the ‘Property Tax’

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weejie, I think and this is only my opinion that he looks like him and sounds like him , and his playing is over the top and florid, all attributes that he shares with liberace.

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"that he looks like him and sounds like him , and his playing is over the top and florid, all attributes that he shares with liberace."

If you were comparing Liberace and Flatley I might have seen some substance but I think you are way off.

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Liberace looked like this - http://www.nndb.com/people/776/000027695/.

Mícheál looks like this - http://www.mosmusic.ie/biography.html.

Liberace played like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn7ImsFM13k.


Mícheál plays like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nLHWUqFDEI.

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I think its official. This belongs in the Outlawed Bin.

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Oh "Scutcher"………….you’ve made my day. 🙂 A guy in front of a full orchestra, wearing a penguin suit, and playing not 1, but 2 sets of bones along with piano. [ Is that Mel Mercier ?]. It could only ever happen in Ireland. I owe you several pints for that.
But the good prof. will never be Liberace until he can afford the candelabra.

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I hope your course supervisor is not following this thread!

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"Grounded", to me, means looking forward to spending the Christmas holidays in Mexico and finding oneself spending them snowed up in Heathrow.

I find it hard to believe that much creativity is fostered by having one’s expectations flung from top gear into reverse in such a sudden arbitrary crunch. But so far, anyway, this hasn’t happened to me; so, what do *I* know?!?

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Tommy Potts.

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