Pronunciation

Pronunciation

Does anyone know the correct pronunciation of the village “Fenore” in County Clare? Is it just as written - FEN OR? or FUN OR?

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It’s actually spelled fanore and is pronounced as it reads.

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fan-OR (stress on second syllable)
The Irish derivation is ‘Fán Óir’ - ‘Golden Slope’. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanore

No doubt, for many that speak English as there first language, the vowel in the first syllable is reduced to a schwa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwa - the ‘neutral’ vowel found in the first syllable of ‘potato’ or the second syllable of ‘butter’.

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A question for Ceadur, because you seem quite knowledgeable:

Oir has a final slender r. How is this pronounced in Irish?

I took a course in Scottish Gaelic many moons ago and slender r was difficult for English speakers, and had the additional oddity of sometimes being pronounced like English th, in final position in one-syllable words, as in muir “mooth”.

Otherwise slender r was a sort of buzzing sound made with the tongue touching the back of the upper teeth, quite difficult to do for us.

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I’m sorry if I seem quite knowledgeable - I really don’t know very much, especially about the finer points of Irish pronunciation. I only know how to pronounce ‘Fanore’ (the Anglophone way) because I’ve heard people say it. As my last post indicates, everything else I know, I learned from the omniscient W.

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I always enjoy reading about pronounciations.

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‘English as there first language’ 🙂

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“‘English as there first language’ 🙂”

I blame the turtles.

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How would the vowel in the first syllable in Fanore be pronounced by a gaelic speaker? Is it “fon ore”?

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‘English as there first language’

what language is this? I can’t read it.

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Sorry - I meant “English as there forth language”.

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Slender ‘r’ in Irish Gaelic is exactly like the slender ‘r’ in Scots Gaelic only, as far as I know, it is never pronounced as a ‘th’ (either voiced or voiceless). Speakers of most Slavic languages would have no problem with this sound; it’s the ‘soft’ or ‘palatalized’ Russian (insert any East Slavic language here) ‘r’.
Fán, depending on where in Ireland your from will come out either like American English “fawn’” or “fan”.

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“Slender ‘r’ in Irish Gaelic is…. the ‘soft’ or ‘palatalized’ Russian (insert any East Slavic language here) ‘r’.”

So, that’s a little bit like ‘r’ followed by a ‘y’, then, but pronounced as a single sound?