Seventy Second’s Farewel (an English or Scottish tune? history?)

Seventy Second’s Farewel (an English or Scottish tune? history?)

any info on this tune please?

X: 41
T:Seventy Second’s Farewell
% Nottingham Music Database
S:via PR
M:4/4
L:1/4
K:D
c/2B/2|"D"Ad de/2f/2|g/2f/2e/2d/2 f2|"Em"gB Bc/2d/2|\
"A"e/2f/2e/2d/2 "A7"d/2c/2B/2A/2|
"D"Ad de/2f/2|"D"g/2f/2e/2d/2 f2|"Em"gB "A7"c/2d/2e/2c/2|"D"d3::
f/2g/2|"D"aA A=c|"G"BG "A7"A3/2B/2|"D"Ad d/2c/2d/2e/2|
"A"fe "A7"ef/2g/2|"D"aA A=c|"G"BG "A7"A3/2B/2|"D"Ad "A7"f/2e/2d/2c/2|"D"d3:|

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https://thesession.org/tunes/6970
"72nd’s Farewell To Aberdeen" would suggest Scottish, aye ? See comments.

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Don’t know about Canadians, , but the "72nd ( Highland ) Regiment of Foot" seem to have been in Scotland since 1786.

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According to Paul Cranford the tune was published in William Ross’ 1885 Collection of Pipe Music as "Farewell to Aberdeen". The Fiddlers Companion says the composer was William MacKay.
In other words, definitely Scottish and a pipe march.

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Highland regiment, originally raised in 1778 as the 78th Highland Regiment of Foot, renumbered as the 72nd in 1786, with other name changes following. They were deployed a lot, so I suppose they left Aberdeen a few times. A sprightly pipe march. I play it on the harp, which is not as suitable for marching, though it can be done.

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Does anyone know the origin of its other name, The Boy’s Lament for his Dragon? Were dragons still around in Aberdeen in the 18th century Kenny?!

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Most tunes with a Farewell in it, are Scottish.
Many to do, with a Scot’s military campaign.
But not alway’s,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92gubPgEWbU

https://thesession.org/tunes/1529

Farewell to Ireland - Reel
Is originaly Scottish
X:319
T:Highlander’s Farewell to Ireland, The
R:Strathspey
B:The Athole Collection
M:C
L:1/8
K:A Minor
A,3B, A,/A,/A, ~A,2|G>ED>B, G,/G,/G, G,>G|E>DE>G A>BA>G|
E<G D>B, A,/A,/A, ~A,2:|
a3b a/a/a a2|g>ag>e d/c/B/A/ G>g|e>de>g a>ba>g|g>ed>B A/A/A A2|
a3b a/a/a a2|g<b e>g d/c/B/A/ G>g|e>de>g a>ba>g|g>ed>B A/A/A A||
|:^F|E>A, A,/A,/A, E>A, E2|D>B, G,/G,/G, G>AB>D|E>A, A,/A,/A, E<A, E>A|
G>ED>B, A,/A,/A, A,:|
|:a>ba>e a>ba>e|g>ag>e d/c/B/A/ G>g|e>de>g a>ba>g|g>ed>B A/A/A A2:|

jim,,,

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thank you all very much

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"Does anyone know the origin of its other name, The Boy’s Lament for his Dragon? "

If Bob Dunsire’s forum cannot reach consensus, it’s unlikely you’ll find the answer, except that it may have something to do with a kite:

http://forums.bobdunsire.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93157

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"Were dragons still around in Aberdeen in the 18th century Kenny?!"
We ate them - that’s how they became extinct.

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Flame grilled?

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So that’s what this tune’s all about, ’ Poor Dragon’s ’
jim : )
X:3
T:Aberdeen Hunt
R:Strathspey
B:The Athole Collection
M:C
L:1/8
K:Gm
D<G G>A B>de>=e|f<d c>B A<fA<F|D<G G>A B>c d<^f|
g<d f>A G2G:|
d|g/a/b g>d B<dg<b|a/b/f/=e/ f<c A>cf>a|g/a/b f>d B<d b>g|
f<d f>A G2 G>d|g/a/b g>d B<dg<b|a/g/f/=e/ f>c A>c f<a|
g<b^f>a g>=ed>c|d>D d/c/B/A/ B<GG||

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Beat me to it: I know it by that name too from Nigel’s tune books: he also makes some reference to it being Jimmy Shand’s pipe marches tune book.
A lot of Scottish Regiments were known by numbers, as with "the Gallant Forty-Twa" - the 42nd Regiment of foot - aka The Black Watch.

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The 72nd Highlanders were an interesting-looking regiment, because they didn’t wear kilts, but ‘trews’ (tartan trousers) in Prince Charles Edward Stuart tartan. Their doublets and feather bonnets were like the kilted Highland regiments, just the trews set them apart. The pipers were the only kilted members of the 72nd.

In 1881 all the old numbered regiments ceased to be, and the 72nd and 78th Highlanders merged to become The Seaforth Highlanders. Trivia yes, but it tells you that any Scottish pipe tune with a numbered regiment in the title is pre-1881.

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So that’s where the ‘no-trews Scotsman would wear a kilt’ argument comes from.

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"A lot of Scottish Regiments were known by numbers, as with "the Gallant Forty-Twa" - the 42nd Regiment of foot - aka The Black Watch."

Actually all British regiments, Scottish and English alike, were known by numbers until 1881.

The regiments had nicknames, but were officially known by numbers, until 1881.

In that year pairs of numbered regiments were amalgamated, the new regiments being known by name rather than by number, though the numbers would appear in parentheses after the name.

So in 1881 the 42nd Foot (Royal Highland Regiment) and 73rd Foot (The Perthshire Regiment) were amalgamated to become the first and second battalions of The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) (42nd and 73rd Foot) a rather cumbersome title. BTW the 42nd were originally numbered 43rd.

Only one regiment in the entire British infantry survived 1881 intact, the 79th Foot (Queens Own Cameron Highlanders) of the well known tune The 79th’s Farewell to Gibraltar.

For us musicians, what the 1881 Army reorganization means is even longer tune titles.

So "The 79th’s Farewell to Gibraltar" sounds long but nothing compared to the post-1881 "The 1st Battalion Queens Own Cameron Highlanders Welcome to Edinburgh". There’s also a tune called "The 79th’s Hornpipe" by the way.

And how about "The 2nd Battalion 51st Highland Volunteers’ Farewell to Regimental Sergeant Major M. MacLeod"?

The following are tunes regarding the 72nd Highlanders; keep in mind that there is also a 72nd Highlanders of Canada, not affected by the British 1881 army reforms.
The 72nd Highlanders’ Gathering 1901
The 72nd Highlanders’ Farewell to Aberdeen
The 72nd Highlanders’ Farewell to Edinburgh
The 72nd Highlanders
The 72nd Highlanders’ Advance on Peiwar-Kotal
The 72nd Highlanders’ Farewell to Clair Castle
The 72nd Highlanders’ Farewell to Dover

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Thanks Richard!

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The tunes sprightliness and mood depended on whether the composer liked the place the regiment was leaving or not. They were not all laments.

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"The tunes sprightliness and mood depended on whether the composer liked the place the regiment was leaving or not."

So, "***** farewell to Methil" would by default be a sprightly jig.

"The 72nd Highlanders’ Farewell to Edinburgh" 😏

Sorry I missed the party! Here follows a little clean up and transformation first, from the original ABCs of Yooval, while also filling in the blanks with regards to the title and other confusions. The first set of ABCs were ‘# Posted by Yooval - June 28th, 2014’ - from the Nottingham Music Database (I’m surprised, I’d have thought they’d know better?):

X: 41
T: Seventy Second’s Farewell
% Nottingham Music Database
S: via PR
M: 4/4
L: 1/4
K: D
|: c/2B/2 |\
"D" Ad de/2f/2 | g/2f/2e/2d/2 f2 | "Em" gB Bc/2d/2 | "A" e/2f/2e/2d/2 "A7" d/2c/2B/2A/2 |
"D" Ad de/2f/2 | "D" g/2f/2e/2d/2 f2 | "Em" gB "A7" c/2d/2e/2c/2 | "D" d3:|
|: f/2g/2 |\
"D" aA A=c | "G" BG "A7" A3/2B/2 | "D" Ad d/2c/2d/2e/2 | "A" fe "A7" ef/2g/2 |
"D" aA A=c | "G" BG "A7" A3/2B/2 | "D" Ad "A7"f/2e/2d/2c/2 | "D" d3 :|

X: —
T: The 72nd Highlanders’ Farewell to Edinburgh
T: The Seventy Second Highlanders’ Farewell to Edinburgh
T: The 72nd’s Farewell to Edinburgh
T: The Seventy Second’s Farewell to Edinburgh
C: Pipe Major John McDonald
M: 4/4
L:1/8
K: D Major
R: march
|: cB |\
A2 d2 d2 ef | gfed f4 | g2 B2 B2 cd | efed dcBA |
A2 d2 d2 ef | gfed f4 | g2 B2 cdec | d6 :|
|: fg |\
a2 A2 A2 =c2 | B2 G2 A3 B | A2 d2 dcde | f2 e2 e2 fg |
a2 A2 A2 =c2 | B2 G2 A3 B | A2 d2 fedc | d6 :|

C: Pipe Major John M’a’cDonald

C: Pipe Major Captain John MacDonald

Oops! 😏

Aberdeen or Edinburgh ~ I remain confused ~ 😏

My contribution was a duplication ~ https://thesession.org/tunes/6970

I saw that first entry, C Major? ~ skipped past and didn’t bother to play it through my head… Instead I decided to transcribe "The Shepherds" take on it, etc…

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ceolachan - Trying to get/send a private message to you Dani…
But keep getting this, Fatal error: etc on here…
jim,,,

Fatal error: Uncaught exception ‘Exception’ with message ‘You tried to send to a recipient that has been marked as inactive. Found inactive addresses: ceolachan44sts@djhat.plus.com.,,,,,,,,,,,,