National folk festival 2015

National folk festival 2015

Hmm I searched for national folk festival 2015 .. but it’s not here.

I actually went to it .. and yes it wasn’t there either.

I camped there .. and there was more folk music outside the heavily-policed gates than inside of it.

Their logo was “5 days in a perfect world” ..well perv-ect for goons and renta-cops I suppose.

The session venue was OK I suppose, but not much better than sessions at your local.

The performers were excellent up on their stages.

But I pause to ask .. folk? I was once a rock’n’roll guy - this looks like pop to me.

Folk has to count for something. In search of folk I sat with the Transylvanian guys in the camp .. those guys never stop playing .. that’s folk.

National? hardly,
Folk? maybe pop ..
Festival? Nah - “commercial pop-concert” .

I left early and won’t be going back.

I don’t think there are any “folk” there. And I, for one, prefer real people. Folk not punters.

Mozle

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“ resembles a small, vibrant and colourful village full of music and dance venues, cafes, themed bars and stalls, as well as a unique ‘Community Arts’ area for demonstrating and workshopping a range of arts disciplines, as well as the ‘Tradition Bearers’ demonstration area where visitors can view the making of a range of Australian craft and purchase unique gifts. There is a traditional Stockman’s Camp that resembles an archetypal bush scenario with authentic performances and delectable bush-style damper and stew and Billy Tea. “

“ There are at least 60 craft stalls, 30+ food vendors and 4 delightfully themed bars with dedicated restaurant areas.“

Sounds like hell on earth to me.

I think you’ve just discovered the difference between trad and folk. What you are looking for look for is ‘traditional music’. ‘Folk music’ means you take the same songs and tunes and exploit them for all they are worth.

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>‘Folk music’ means

Folk means some muppet has to have a banjo and the rhythm player uses an acoustic, and don’t you dare sing a traditional song because the record company makes no money off that rubbish.

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You should have looked for “Dr. Dow” and his buddies - they don’t do “folk”, they play traditional Irish music, and the Irish sessions I had with them when I was at the “’Nash” a few years back were as good as many you’d find in Ireland.
[ This of course assumes that the OP is talking about Australia’s “National Folk Festival”, something he or she doesn’t actually state anywhere. ]

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There’s still some people ( that is to say, most members of the public ) who think that a folk-singer is someone droning his 6th-form poetry over a Level 2 badly-strummed guitar.
Sounds like you’ve got ’em.

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OP trying to be philosophical,

clearly hates talented people trying to earn a living through music

hey what do you know OP, folk stars are real people too? i suggest you meet some of them

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Don’t be so hard, on the OP. I’d imagine, he’s telling it as he saw it. There is still folk music, in pubs. There is also a lot of it, on c.d. The term “folk music”, seems to have changed though.

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Hi Mitch.

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‘Folk music’, ‘folk singer’ etc. are terms coined by academics to refer to musical traditions of which they themselves are not part. So people who declare themselves ‘folk singers’ are either those from outside the tradition trying to be part of it or those from within the tradition trying not to be part of it.

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I’m thoroughly enjoying this thread. I have no idea where in the world the OP relates to. It might be down the road from me, at the Sunflower Festival (County Down, Northern Ireland) or away far far. Cork maybe? Did somebody mention Australia? Now that IS far far! Not so sure though, about CreadurMawnOrganig’s definition of folk vs trad! While I’m able to scrape out a few bits & pieces of tunes on fiddle, I’m primarily a singer, of mostly Irish songs (Dubliners, Clancys etc) with a few Scottish songs too (Robbie Burns, The Corries) and even English songs (The Spinners mostly) and I perform a few of my own scribbles. I think I’m correct in stating that around here where I live in Ireland, Trad is 99% tunes and Folk is 99% songs. The 1% is a wee bit of leeway to accomodate them strange yins that wud fit better in the other session!
Just my attempt at keeping the pot boiling!

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The second part of my statement is flippant, and to be taken with a pinch of salt an a sprinkling of pepper. I stand by the first part, though.

I don’t believe ‘folk’ and ‘traditional’ music are, by any defintion, mutually exclusive - and are, to some people, one and the same. The rise of the term ‘traditional music’, though, is partly due to traditional musicians wishing to disassociate themselves from some of what comes under the umbrella of ‘folk’ - not necessarily out of disdain for that music, but simply because they do not see any obvious connection between it and what they play.

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I think that folk, like rock, has dozens of sub-genres. When artistes are trying to tell the world about their music they will classify it by the sub-genre (punk/ prog /indie/ or Irish/ Scottish/ Cajun/ Singer-songwriter) When musicians or promoters use general headings like ‘Folk’ or ’ Rock’ (or ’ Celtic’) it’s almost always to try to attract a wider audience and make more money.

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I’m perfectly happy about calling something traditional music, and traditional song. I’m also perfectly happy listening to modern, well-crafted songs about traditional or historic subjects. Even to hear “art-songs”, as one might call them, well-written songs about non-traditional subjects ( my wife writes some of those ).
It’s the “Ee, it were grand when we knitted our own muesli and collected the horse-droppings for the roses” stuff that make my teeth grind.

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Headliners at Cambridge FF (UK) this year, Joans Baez and Armatrading - that’s “folk” in big festival terms.

Oh, by the way Mozle, we all had a meeting on this side of the planet and decided you don’t have to go to the NatFF if you don’t want to.

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I did not see any rent- a- cops. There was no music outside the gates. I played tunes with Dow but mostly listened to his staggering repertoire, beautifully played. The Nash has to appeal to a broad audience or else die. There is something for everyone or dislike.

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Years ago, it was explained to me that true folk/traditional music (these terms were used interchangeably) was “music of the people” and the creators/composers were anonymous. Where the composer was known, the music was considered to be in the “folk style”. Performers such as Woody Guthrie would be in the second camp. Both were considered of great worth but the distinction was stressed. In my part of the world (Vermont, USA) there is an annual Folk Festival that includes music from both categories and is a popular, enjoyable event. I don’t think people who attend get too hung up on the distinction; they just like the music.

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But still people can get it wrong; Martin Carthy was described as a “singer-songwriter” recently ! Yes, he has written songs, BUT he mainly sings traditional songs.
Ah, well.

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The word “folk” brings back memories of 70s folk clubs, with middle-aged, middle class librarians with lavatory brush beards and insecure dentures, wearing chunky polo-neck jumpers and singing songs with bizarre choruses, accompanied by an out-of-tune trichord guitar. Can’t think of any bad points, though.

Folk festivals - yep, fun, beer, eclectic personalities and sometimes also there is music 🙂

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I would like to point out that that well-known ex-librarian June Tabor was often to be seen in’70s’ folk clubs. I don’t think she ever wore a brush beard or a chunky polo-neck jumper though, usually much more stylish !

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I agree, security was very tight and very, very annoying. But I lay the blame for that on Canberra laws rather than the festival. They are doing what they are told to by law, and they aren’t happy about it either.

As for the music, you need to know where to look and you need to be willing to stay up till 5am, 6am, 7am to get the best of it, it is the way it always has been at the national, this year was no different.

I had some cracker tunes with Dr Dow - he was in fine form, as were many others from all around Australia and around the world. Some lovely music in the session bar at times.

Apart from the security - which was full on, I had a great time, as I usually do. Very pesky all those food stalls and pretty lanterns, what a complete turn off 🙂 Lol.

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ACT laws, sorry.

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Yes, the ACT Govt and insurance companies keep tightening the screws on the Nash. The main reason is collateral damage from Canberra’s other big event SummerNats.To control that one, every other event has to suffer.

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Yup Mark, exactly!

And of course, not every festival is going to be liked by every single person. But to say - “I don’t think there are any “folk” there. And I, for one, prefer real people.” - is fairly arrogant, I wonder exactly how many of the 50,000 people there did the original poster actually meet and play tunes with? I am pretty sure I am a “real” person, as are all the other people that were there.

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‘Folk’ is just easier to say. We attended the Durham Folk Festival - yes, in the 1970s & early 80s - and it included pukka traditional tunes from England, Scotland, Ireland and other places, and also songs made up by the artistes which were often very enjoyable - ‘Ye bald-heided, black-hairted burghers of Reykjavik’ is one that springs to mind. A wee bit ironic, snooty remarks about the term ‘folk’ being used by snooty middle class types. 🙂

‘Real’ folk/ traditional music included a mix of styles as well - traditional ballads about murder and sex, ornate love songs printed as broadsides, contemporary criminals’ goodnights, religious and political satires and so on. Handed on, or made up by the artistes of the day…

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I Am only stating the view of one guy.

And truly ..I held back from my opinion for a while .. but his one guy has a rage.

Is my rage invalid? Well maybe because your child was not tortured there because he was a little differen

The Nation Folk Festival has tortured children since the time I took a child there.

And I think .. is it only the torture of children we have accepted?

Are we not children?

The only solice I get is the tradition.

I detect in the tradition a true nurture that I never found in 15 years of professional rock and roll.

I used to think pop could be folk .. but you know what? it can’t
The minute there is a stage - it is church.

And whenever my innocent boy gets tortured by renta-psycho ..I know I have left humanity.

I have been twice at the “Nash” and twice hadda get counselling for my boy for the PTSD that the “Nash” inflicted on him.

Sure >I can go there and survive, but I been all around - I am not innocent.
And those who think that rock is “folk” you missed the boat.

I did rock .. I saw some humanity in folk .. but .. you won’t find it at the Nash.

So you go off and get captured by the spirit of folk.

And then you look round after a few years and count how many children you tortured.

And if it is more than one - you are nothing more than “pop”
Cos that is what “pop” does.

The books of De Sade are largely banned - but you can read it there.
If nothing - De Sade was honest.

Real folk has the answer

Mozle

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Are you on drugs Mozel? Are you though? Children at the National are being tortured? My kids have never been tortured at the Nash, I’ve in fact never heard such a ridiculous claim.

I seriously doubt you have any idea what “real folk” is.

Go to the National, don’t’ go. That isn’t the issue at all. The issue is your rambling, and might I say very paranoid posts, which are just pure strange.

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And before you blame “Canberra” go off and read Philip Zimbardo about how we are made evil by letting others take our responsibility away from us.

And then go vote - because before that you had no idea how important your own conscious was.

So go vote - and get the benefit of your own lack of care - and If I ever have to get PTSD counselling for my boy again - I know who to blame.

I’ll send a bill.

A true folk musician cares.
We care about the music
We care about the tradition of it
We care about the message it gives all who hear it
All who share it.
We care to make the instruments so that can be the best anyone can give to anyone they care about.
And we care about care…

That is the bones of REAL tradition

So don’t try to fool me about 70’s revival and media myths.

It has always been with us. If any of you have memory before 1970 - you will know it.

Screw pop ..it don’t work - stop calling it “folk

If you go to the Nash - don’t pay rent for what you already got.
Camp outside the gates and play some REAL folk.

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Ok, I admit. I’ve been taking the piss out of you a bit, because your posts have been so massively inflammatory. But all piss taking aside. I hope you are ok.

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SO “tunes”

You think that your experience is the only one?

Talk about arrogance.

Your kids must be pre-conditioned.

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Of course I don’t think my experience is the only one, which is why I said that not everyone is going to like the same festivals.

Don’t start with the insults on the kids though, it’s uncalled for.

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Look “tunes”
I understand that you are confronted by this - and I will listen.
From all my experience there I have gotten nothing but pain.
from the first time I tried to take a whistle shop there and it was deemed “un-Australian”

I have a large body of experience about the Nash - it has made me think.

from there I have done a lot of psych research ..you go there and we can talk empirically.
Until then .. I have offered the opinion of one guy - you have yours.
After that .. do the research, get real iron in the fire - and then we are on.

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No, it’s ok Mozel, I’ll skip the psych stuff. I enjoy the National and always have, you don’t. It’s all good.

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and man .. did you see Bob B there ??
Last time I saw him his belly was full of fire .. about how the Nash was supposed to move around the nation - he as a founder of the whole thing - and a great mentor.

But I saw him this year and the Alzheimers had taken him .. .. I hadda go out the back and cry about that.

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I like the session bar.
But .. it’s just a session.

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A session with people from all over Australia that you never get to play with except at the National. I literally spend the first night and next day catching up with friends I haven’t seen in ages. That’s the part I like the best and I think that is why I like the National so much, Australia is just too big to see everyone you like all the time🙂

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Funny .. at the time of my departure the rent-a-cops tied to prevent me from leaving it .. until I explained to there dog-master that I was moving out of their jurisdiction.

I like dogs .. but not other people’s dogs.

There are only dogs at the Nash.

I prefer my human child to dogs - I will never go to a commercial pop-concert again - no matter how many words claiming “folk” are shouted in my face by money and media.

Inflamatory?

Yes - burn it down - it never had any value beyond a bonfire.

Stand outside the fence - burn it and sing the old songs

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I get to see all those players anyhow - and more.
The money makes them come begging .. that’s perverse

What happened? Why do we have to pay for what we already have?

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I don’t know, you are right, it’s becoming very commercialised and on one hand that is horrid. But I have always been a big believe that musicians should be able to make their way doing the thing they love, which requires being paid. It’s a hard one alright.

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I just worked out who Bob B was - I am really sorry to hear that. I didn’t see him this year, I didn’t realise he wasn’t well. That is very sad.

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I am in mind of the “passing of the torch”
Life and death
I had tinder and was set aflame by those on fire.
Better I pass it along ;)
Flame is flame - impossible to make it water.
And the world is looking kinda damp to me.

The Nash has to move before it drowns in cops.
(on second thought - if it drowmns, It will pop-up somewhere else- away from the epicentre of cops. Who knows? I’d like for it to have volition)

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I’ll be at Yass.
It’s a rough place, but honest.
I think I’ll be moving to Gulgong.
Beyond the real-estate bubble of isolated urban humans.
Somewhere that music gets played where you stand.
And if I don’t hear it, I’ll start playing.
Don’t need a “folk festival” for that - but I’m sure it will become one.

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To all:
I want to apologise for both this thread and my insane over-the-top remarks.

Clearly the National Folk Fest cannot be held accountable for wider social trends.
It continues to be a valuable service to our culture
and in fact represents an example of cultural ideals that may serve to overcome external social issues which concern me and others.

I thank you all for your contribution and patience, and humbly apologise again.

Mozle

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Dunno what you guys mean by folk implying that its commercialised. Maybe it means differnet in your countries but in the UK id say folk and trad are synonymous.

Now theres certainly alot of commercialised folk/trad bilge here too but it doesnt have a different name you just have to look for the telltale signs. IE high entry fees and the like.

Well I think anything other than your down to earth quiet pub sessions is going off the path. Its all about being small and grass roots imo.

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Hi Arthur, I think Mozle was meaning perhaps that the National started off with 300 punters in a field with the back of a truck as the stage, and now it has 50,000 people attending and some of the headlining acts are pop acts, which they are. That isn’t to say that there isn’t some really, really good traditional music and folk music to be had, because there is. Just that perhaps the festival has gone a commercial direction? That’s how I took it anyway.

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I’m listening to Mark’s link - yes that is rather nice.
But I need a computer to do it .. as committed neo-luddite. I have to accept .. but reserve at the same time.
The creed of the neo-Luddite is that intellect is the property of a species - not any individual or corporate approximation of life. We are committed to the idea that all property is theft .. but we are ambivalent about whether theft is evil.

However, I have to leaven that with a few things:
1. Tradition is not just a word. In my world-view tradition is the unbroken thread of our human history passed father-to son, teacher to student for 200 thousand years. It forms a spine that cares nothing for fashion, technology or the times.
2. “Folk” is essentially tribal. It does not necessarily identify a single tribe - but rather expresses the affiliation for all those who branched away all those thousands of years ago. I can identify folk by that - but I can also identify when it does not particularly call to me. For instance, I love Turkish music .. but .. I will never play it. I am a 6th-generation Australian .. but the Irish calls me stronger than the English, and the Scottish gets me even more. The Coorie music .. I like it - but to me it’s like Turkish or Chinese folk .. I love it, but it does not call me that much. One thing that I DO like about Coorie music is that it was often performed as a holistic life-experience that occurred in the meeting of tribes and the material and sexual exchange between moieties took place. In that .. it is folk - and unlike western Europeans, some Coories still consciously observe traditions that span centuries in current knowledge. Best we can do is talk about our own fathers or the Industrial revolution. That’s a time period that is pathetic in the face of real folk music.

So while I can appreciate Mark’s link .. all I see is a media shadow that contains only the residue of identity.
It’s got more than most pop - but digital recording can never express more than ghosts.

I like the session bar at the Oz Nash .. but mostly it’s human replicas of digital effigies of ghosts.

The Ghost dance is important for our tribes - it is the ghosts that unite us.

But in the day when the phantoms are drowned by sunlight, we are compelled to our true tribe and that’s the work we do .. but these days, our music has been shuttered away from us .. and no one sings the waulking songs for fear of having to charge for it.

In that vacuum - police and dogs. Dogmasters and slave-owners.

I regret when I see and taste the taint of the parasitic dog-masters invade our inner sanctum and attack the spine of our unbroken tradition. But - Look I apologise for seeing what I see. I apologise for the rage I feel about that. But I also understand that this is just a digital expression - a ghost.

I can only say - let the ghosts fight. It has no significance.
The spine of tradition cannot be broken - nor ever will.
Marx would call all this the noise of the petty-bourgeoisie .. and that class is pretty much over in the grand scheme.
Now there are only folks and dog-masters.
We have no idea what happens next.

The dog-masters think they have it all nailed - but they have thought that many times.

Tradition is folk - it is the master icon on the totem of out true tribe.

In the end, the dogs go where the food is.

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You could end up with a sore head following this thread. There are traditional songs and traditional music. There are folk songs & folk music. Open to wide interpretation.

Lots of overlap, as there well should be - and overlap with other genres as well (rock, pop, dance, techno, even jazz) all is good if you like that kind of thing! Variety is the spice, live & let live.

It never does to get grumpy & worked up over other people liking what you don’t. Concentrate on enjoying what you enjoy, and let others grumble about your taste…

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Group hugs and snorting of Domestos is the way forward, I guess 🙂

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Stay away if you don’t like it and let nature take its course.

This regulation and insurance stuff recently killed off a new grassroots
festival here called CorinBank. I have some sympathy for Mozle. Would
Woodstock happen in 2015? It would be shut down before the first wah wah pedal.

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I really can’t expect many to follow this.

I suppose in a forum called “thesession” there might be more than elsewhere.

So how about a story huh?

There I was at some kind of festival, I was there as a supporter of the tradition at large expense to myself.
I had with my “special” son. He’s not an easy boy because his condition makes him incapable of lying.
And then he decided he should do what his dad is doing and go round trying to help. But the dogs would not allow him to help because he’s “too young” .. well, at 6 foot and growing .. what does young mean anyway?
He got some employ at “the Tantric Turtle” who were happy for him. But the dogs tracked him down there as well and shut him down.
He found some other kids - but they could not ride their bikes in the “entertainment zone” ostensibly because of the “risk” and the cost of insurance.
So sure, he rode with a pack of sexually confused teens who rode around and accused him of sexual perversion.
And when that offended him more than he could bear, he still wanted to contribute. So while others did impromptu musical performances outside the session bar, he found he could walk his ultra-proletarian-proof plastic chair like a horse and devised an epic chair-ride down the hill.
But some punter told him that was not good for the chair - and went to get the dogs to shut him down.
By the time the dog got there he had completed his epic performance to cheers from the crowd.
Then he saw the renta-cop-dog coming and legged-it.
“Oi” say’s the dog - “come back here!”
“No” says he - “you just want to oppress me.”
“O NO!” sez the dog - “just the opposite.”
So I say to my son - “come on back and hear him out.”
SO he comes back .. and then the dog opens his mouth and all the oppression about how a chair is more important than a boy spills out like toads and snakes. The Oppressor in full flight.
My honest son was right.

Then later .. My boy was just playing round the perimeters, the high cage walls covered in hession. And some steward-dog comes to check his armband (which he had) he told her to sod off so she grabbed him. He kicked out at her and she smacked him in the gob cutting all the insides of his mouth.
Then the dogs call me to “restrain my boy”.
So I go to get him and extract him from the dogish feast before they totally destroy him.

But I am on my way to the “instrument maker’s concert”
I have a major player demonstrating my craft .. but I gotta go there with a bleeding crying 13 year old honest boy.

So I get him to the venue. He’s sobbing and violated.
I gotta line-up my set with the player. SO I do the politics in between making sure my boy knows there’s someone who cares .. and he’s racked by great big sobs. Bleeding from the mouth and deprived of any expression in this foul dog-cage.

So I introduce the artist. I barely have time to keep going back to the boy. But I manage it.

The performance of the artist brought the house down. What an artist. After she came off stage I just pushed the instruments in her hand and said “After that these have to go with you”.

Then back to my boy.

I went looking for an old friend who once ran security at that fest. But he was nowhere to be seen.
SO back to the session bar we go.
I go out for a smoke to find that the smoker’s zone has been compressed to a bare 2-metre compound behind 30 kilogram barricades emblazoned with a logo that says “FORTRESS”.
SO I kick them all down and throw one of them over the wall.

And along come the dogs.

I hurt the steel barricade perhaps?

And the dogs won’t let me leave.
All they want is their fun.

So you dogs?

you dogs.

Don’t call it a festival.

Call it a canine carnage

And what else?

That is what we are become - the “festival” is not the cause. It flows from the hill on high and we accept it.

Sorry. In the face of this - I am not a “we”. I cannot accept .. perhaps I infected by the honesty of my boy.

Tradition? Folk?
Yes I know that. I see it And I do it.
But the dogs want it all.
But not if I can help it.

I’ll continue to cleave close to the tradition and serve it - it is the only safe ground we have.
It cannot exist in a large festival/pop-concert.

I will never go to another.

I will find better places. They exist.

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Look

The best friend I ever had was a dog. He ran free and came home to live with me.

He would go round and beg at the 5-star restaurants in the morning when the 5-star scraps went out.
I rarely had to feed him.
He would go down to the train station and the peeps would throw down bags of chips to watch him do his chip-bag opening stunt.
He went down the road and tried to eat a neighbour’s pet goose. That was $360 vet bill gladly paid.
He went next door and ate half the neighbour’s cat. I coulda wished he ate it all - the politics got difficult. But he’s a dog.
One day, after he had learned to open all the doors in my house, I tried to teach him how to close them. I got down on all fours to demonstrate. And he barked at me. First time he ever got angry with me. And I got it. He knew what I was doing, and he said “my friend, I am not doing that - you are not my boss - you are my friend or nothing, and stop doing this crap.” He was pretty angry - he thought I was smarter than that.

The dogs at the Nash? My old friend makes a mockery of the human dog ..

When you cross a human with a dog - you get a retarded dog.

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Listening to Christy Moor
“the sound of the sirens”
It was recorded music - but the ghosts were more lively.
That’s why we had a 70’s folk revival.
On the back of the “civil rights” outrage.
We tasted a little bit of the freedom my old dog taught to me - as I gave it to him.

I have been in search of what all this is for a long time.
I have my answers in music and math and history - both written and experienced.

A human community can be no larger than around 300 - the children, the adults, the sick and the old.
Beyond that the tribal form splits.

But we deny it. The split gets covered up with vertical splits that form parasitic class structures. Or they split horizontally with the formation of separate “sister” tribes.

The horizontal split was longa ago wrecked by the total spread of humans over all territory on Earth .. maybe 10,000 years ago when we emerged from out enclaves as the ice retreated.

Since then, we are in a battle between parasites, retarded dogs and humans - all with arms and legs as if they were human.

I can show you the math if you like. I have models … but the historians and geographers and other academics have been saying it for years.

A festival is the meeting of tribes. If they have affiliation, then they all know the forms and rules - and no tribe is more than 300. If one comes greater than that - it’s a war.

So with the numbers, the history, the geography, the anthropology, all of it. a large festival is a class war. If you can stand it, you are part of the parasitic ruling class - the rest stand outside the gates playing REAL folk music and simmering.

I can enter only because I am a keeper of the bones. An honest man cannot go there.
So .. what does that make the ghost-keeper?
Am I a lier?
And how can I then relate to my honest son?

Can it be a matter of our perception of time?

Probably. The math of “chaos” governs all over-heated systems.
In the schema of such things - the chaos ensures “black-swans” disasters are inevitable - but unpredictable.
In the long term, you must lay store to pass though the hard-times, the black swans.

So that’s the backbone of “insurance”.
But that whole idea discounts the principle of adaptability of the neural-network. The neural network is a noise-reducing engine. I can show you the math - been looking at it as long as I been looking at folk.

Within chaos is the fractal thing. And Benoit Mandelbrot will stand up and look at a number series and tell you how much of each dimension it has. But for me, it’s a matter of scale.
Outside the numbers - there is only a certain range of the fractal universe that has any meaning at all to humans.
If you zoom out too far - you become an over-lord class of psychopaths. Zoom in too far, you become a retarded dog.

The tradition of folk maintains the scale of humanity. Go outside of that and you leave your tribe.

You can look at the notion of the totem - this is the artefact that records the dimensions of human math.

I am a neo-luddite. There is no property you can own without violence to keep it. Humans have a certain violence - do not deny it. But when we exceed the force of a tribe of 300, we move into fractal levels that describe psychopaths and retarded dogs.

Become human.
Purge your totem
Embrace your true tribe.
The folk tradition preserves the peace between us.

A festival is a meeting of tribes.
If you bring an army of retarded dogs - you are come for war- not festival.

No thanks.

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Oh ..and before anyone points this out:
I only had my pathogenically honest boy in a known psychopathic environment because his schizophrenic mother had dumped him on me. I was all that he had.
And the community .. what community?
(Tantric Turtle people had go - but were only a small tribe - no match to the retarded dogs .. thank you tantric Turtle - you have earned my affiliation, for what it’s worth)

I did what i had to do.

Happy to receive better wisdom

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^Is this really on-topic to Irish music?

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“Happy to receive better wisdom” - you don’t need it, you’ve already supplied your own answer with :

“I will never go to another.

I will find better places. They exist“.

Sorted.

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