Bass layout for C#D

Bass layout for C#D

I am planning to purchase a C#D box after New Year’s and am wondering if there is a more usable bass setup other than the standard Paolo Soprani setup for 8 basses. How well would the Joe Burke setup work? I will appreciate any intput. Thanks and have a blessed Holiday season.

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What’s wrong with trad setup? Bass can be an unnecessary burden that will water down your pulse of melody. I’m a recovering bass head so don’t take me too serious.

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The Joe Burke setup is for B/C, but I wonder if that (or indeed a transposed setup to C#/D) would help you more than a C#/D setup along the Jackie Daly lines (no C#, G#, C or F, but a double G/G instead of D/G).

I remember an idea that Peter Browne presented some fifteen years ago in a Yahoo Group (sadly, I can’t find that post) - each of the eight buttons had a single note, no chords. There were Eb, G# and all that, in appropriate places on the left hand side.

Anyway, if you want to stick to a more "traditional" approach, make sure you have a push D somewhere (for the D major chord), a pull E (for the Em triad), A in both directions makes sense, and you definitely want a G somewhere - preferably in both directions. Depending on the tunes you play, a C might be more handy than the F#.

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A c note bass?

Why bother when you don’t have a c on the treble?

If u want a trad sound keep a trad setup. My two kernels worth

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Well of course you have a C on the treble Kernal. B# actually but it does the job. (You can now return to your shell.)

Forget the Joe Burke layout - it would be a big a waste of buttons for C#/D. It is designed to compensate for the fact that the notes of the arpeggio of D are spread over both rows on the B/C and you don’t have that problem on C#/D. You don’t need a D pull, and the big loss with it is that you have no F#/B pair. And for heaven’s sake do not think of upping it a tone.

For my purposes the standard layout with G/G is best. Yes the absence of a C chord is glaring and effectively prevents you from doing much with tunes in G major. Some people choose to sacrifice the F#/B pair to get a C chord, but I wouldn’t do that - they are far too valuable for accompanying tunes in D, Em and Bm.

Generally, I would say, if you must have a C chord, go for 12 basses. Actually I’d be more than happy with a 10-button layout, putting F/C on the extra pair. But of course nobody offers that.

My main squeeze at the moment is a 9-bass Double-Ray - modified to add one extra bass button, with a bass note of F/C on it - very useful!

Another interesting possibility would be to have bass notes only, no chords, as Jeff mentions. But it would require a very different approach to accompaniment.

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id like to see a video of someone playing c tunes with c chords on a b#d accordion. That sounds like brain surgery

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Uh, b# is c. It’s called an enharmonic equivolent, if I recall my music school training correctly. The same way an e# is the same as an f.

A b#/d accordion wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense, but it would be easy to play tunes in c because you have a c row sitting there on it. Not that someone would ever bother with such a ghastly thing when there are so many (dis?)reputable box systems already laying about.

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@Kernal
"playing c tunes with c chords on a b#d accordion."

I think you mean c#/d accordion. Anyway, a C chord would be handy for basically any tune in G, plus the high number of Dmix tunes. Playing tunes IN C is of course of possible, but then an F would be handy, and so on…

To Dana: I read about the Peter Browne setup in an old post in the irishbox group on Yahoo. I believe it was possible to play two-note "chords" in just about any key. That very Yahoo Group doesn’t exist anymore, I can’t find it in the wayback archives either (only the main page). I’m sure I saved the post in a plain txt file over TEN years ago. Who knows, maybe Peter himself is still browing this forum?

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Not sure where Kernal is going with all that.

Certainly any semitone box will have both a C and C# on the treble. For ITM, as Stiamh and Jeff said, the C chord is useful when playing in G.

If you’re going 8-bass then I don’t see any reason not to have:
outside inside
chord A/E, F#/Bm
bass A/E , F#/B
chord D/A, G/G
bass D/A, G/G

Assuming you’re playing Irish trad of course.

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"I remember an idea that Peter Browne presented some fifteen years ago in a Yahoo Group (sadly, I can’t find that post) - each of the eight buttons had a single note, no chords. There were Eb, G# and all that, in appropriate places on the left hand side."

I have this on my accordion, it works excellent.

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Do you mind sharing your setup?

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It’s basically a mixture between a cocertina and an accordion.
Sure I posted about it here: http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,17580.msg216299.html#msg216299

Note that I have just this week let Albrecht add an extra button for me on the bass side, not out of neccesity but because it opens up a few options and there’s plenty of space anyway. My current bass setup is:
F3/D#3____G#3/A#3____C#4/C4 (Outer)
D3/E3______F#3/G3____A3/B3___D4/C#4​ (inner)

I should make a post about this little machine some time, when I was in Ireland for the Ennis trad fest everyone was raving about it.

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If you really want to have fun check out "Organetto" . This is the Italian version of an ‘Irish accordion’. Somewhere in the listings is a discussion of the various bass setups used by various Italian players. I lost the link — sorry.

BTW the description of Joe Derrane’s bass is incorrect. I have it directly from Joe, but I cannot post it here. It is a Word file. I can attach it to something — if I knew what the something was.