Recorded my local session, could you name the tunes so I can study and practice them

Recorded my local session, could you name the tunes so I can study and practice them

http://vocaroo.com/i/s13hy3Fhyq44

http://vocaroo.com/i/s17bH6iaIZy5

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1NvhhhsnOOt

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0ncRbGxxB1f

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1cfBtMC4ft1

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1hAw2M0hE1Y

In your own good time of course. If I get all/most of these named these will last me a good long while learning then I will have a good cache to join in with which I will know they play. Part of my problem in the past is that even the tunes I and the sesh knew were the obscure settings I had learned from O’neils so I would get tripped up when they suddenly started playing different notes of the same tune. This way I can be sure we will be on the same page.

Re: Recorded my local session, could you name the tunes so I can study and practice them

How will you know which settings to learn?

Re: Recorded my local session, could you name the tunes so I can study and practice them

Easiest place to get that information would be from the people who were playing in the session…

Track 1. 2:06 - Diplodocus https://thesession.org/tunes/620
Track 2. 1:24 - Belles of Tipperary https://thesession.org/tunes/769
Track 2. 6:03 - Sailor on the Rock https://thesession.org/tunes/765
Track 3. 0:00 - Kitty’s Rambles https://thesession.org/tunes/1843
Track 3. 1:45 - Gallowglass https://thesession.org/tunes/1369
Track 4. 1:20 - Tarbolton https://thesession.org/tunes/560
Track 4. 3:04 - Longford Collector https://thesession.org/tunes/563
Track 4. 4:45 - Sailor’s Bonnet https://thesession.org/tunes/563/recordings/570
Track 5. 0:00 - McGreevy’s https://thesession.org/tunes/3065

That’s all I can remember names for at the moment. I think I play pretty much all of them, but the more tunes you cram in, the harder it is to remember names… sigh

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Learn the tunes but don’t expect them to be played anytime soon in the future. The sessions I go to have probably 100+ that they play regularly, a few thousand more that aren’t common to everyone and whatever gets played - get played. Nearly totally unpredictable. Some sessions also have tunes that are pretty much verböten and if you play one of those, you’ll be playing all by your lonesome. I’ve learned to eschew "Tam Lin/Glasgow Reel" even though it can sound pretty awesome on a bouzouki.

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Thanks, Arthur. Those are good tunes. Reverend offers sound advice about asking one of the players for a list. There is probably at least one person in your session who can give you the information. It may not be complete, the sets probably change every week and you still have to learn them one at a time. Yet I think it’s worth seeking out someone in the session who is willing and able to guide you to some tunes to learn for playing in the session.

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Is this a Manchester area session?

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Learn how to do this for yourself. Seriously.

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Using Tunepal to collect the names of tunes from your local session is an EXCELLENT exercise, because it requires you to learn the tune properly for the sake of getting it’s name. ALSO, and this is important; You want to know what keys your session plays the tunes in. Learning the tunes from a third-party setting may end up getting you a tune in a different key. Also, learning a tune from a third-party setting may end up getting you a tune in a different setting, as was mentioned higher up. So be sure to double-check that the recording matches the setting, or just ignore the settings and learn from the recording.

Doing this for yourself is wonderful ear training, and will help you build loads of other passive and active musical skills.

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Thanks.

As I slept on it I thought it would be best to just learn them from the recording in the ‘true’ fashion eh; to avoid the issues yall state above. I have a good recording of the source material now with which to work from.

@irishfiddleCT yes it was at the Angler. How did you know?

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It is still sometimes nice to know their names for a historical and finding out the stories behind them but I shall try not to use that for learning them now and go with the recording only.

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I know because that’s where I learned quickly how this music is supposed to sound by going to and listening to Manchester sessions all the time, so I recognised some of the musicians playing purely by their sound. You’ll do fine there if you learn your tunes properly and tbh you’d be better off asking those experienced musicians all the questions you come to this forum with. BTW, that community were very supportive of me during my more youthful/arrogant years!

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You are still in manc or you have moved on? cant believe how you could discern that from all the sessions in the world. That is eery. My sensibilities must still be very gross to not be able to fathom such a thing.

Is that a normal thing?

Well I don’t like to ask technical questions because it isn’t a tutor session after all unless they seemed open to it. It’s funny because everyone on here says get a teacher immediately! but one of the most stalwart regulars there said ‘you don’t need a teacher just learn here!’ but the same guy won’t answer technical questions he is more of the live practice and learn camp.

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Arthur: My 2 cents worth….learn the tunes you’ll think you’ll like to play and learn by going to the session regularly. Don’t worry too much right now about a list of "must have’s" to get under your belt because, as Reverend intimated, you will get daunted by the [seeminlgy] endless flow of tunes to learn. I think it might be better to do this:

1. Listen a lot at first at your local session without stressing about what tunes to "learn".
2. Instead, listen to learn what tunes you think you’d like to *play*. And I mean REALLY want to learn to play. Tunes that grab you by the ears and just won’t let go. Tunes that excite you. Those will be the tunes you will also learn more quickly and easily because you will already be excited by them and love them and will NEED to get them under your fingers asap!! 🙂
3. Those tunes will quickly [as the Rev says] suggest other tunes…and sometimes the tune you LOVE will need another tune to go with it to make the set. So that’s another way to build a repertoire. But start with a few core tunes…maybe 3-4….maybe a reel, maybe a polka, maybe a jig and start building from there.
4. Don’t make it work, but work hard at figuring what tunes most appeal to your ears and soul and go from there. This will take some listening. You will find that over the years your taste in tunes will likely change.
5. Also, remember, even though those players play tunes at the session there are many tunes beyond the reach of beginners, but there are some great ones that are well within their reach and you can add many layers to so-called ‘simple’ tunes…that is part of the fun [through ornamentation etc]. Also keep in mind the pace that certain tunes may be played at. Faster raises the difficulty level for starting players.
[sorry I couldn’t play your sound files so don’t know how the people are playing them/speed, etc]

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Can’t you ask them what is tune at the time you play it. Or doesn’t the session have a tune book ?

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Many sessions do not have a tune book.

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I don’t get this issue with ‘the tune will never be played again’.

With the session in question one person starts a tune and the rest who know it join in.

Since it is always some regulars there (the same of whom were there that night) if I started a tune then they would just join in.

[Can’t you ask them what is tune at the time you play it. Or doesn’t the session have a tune book ?] well tune names aren’t needed now I have the recording and what good would it be asking them since there is no tunebook as others said.

Interestingly I played the recordings back a couple of times and today I was rolling round a couple of parts in my head. So I guess that is the natural acquisition process.

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Good man, Arthur. You will find that once you have learned these tunes by ear you will wish you had started that way years ago.

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"Since it is always some regulars there (the same of whom were there that night) if I started a tune then they would just join in."

They would, no doubt. As a beginner-intermediate player in a fairly high-calibre session, however, if you were to start a lot of tunes, it might not go down too favourably with some of the regulars. In a session with a large collective repertoire (which I imagine the Jolly Angler is), the regulars might well not want to repeat the same tunes from one week to the next - they would rather dig into the darkest recesses of their repertoires for almost-forgotten tunes, or pick up new tunes from each other.

I hope this does not come over as negative or discouraging. Ultimately, there is nothing else for it but to keep learning tunes, keep playing them at home and wait for opportunities to play them in sessions. On the positive side, in a session with a large repertoire, the chances are, whatever tune you start, at least one other player will know it.

As for knowing the names of tunes, I don’t think this can be a bad thing - not so that you can find the dots, but so you can find a range of different recordings to learn from.

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So, a summary of the above (plus the ones nobody else spotted):

Track 1:
0:00 - Princess Nancy - https://thesession.org/tunes/4540
0:37 - Out on the Road - https://thesession.org/tunes/2148
2:05 - Diplodocus - https://thesession.org/tunes/620

Track 2:
0:00 - (talking)
1:24 - Belles of Tipperary - https://thesession.org/tunes/769
3:13 - Primrose Lass - https://thesession.org/tunes/789
4:20 - Hunter’s Purse - https://thesession.org/tunes/283
6:05 - Sailor on the Rock https://thesession.org/tunes/765

Track 3:
0:00 - Kitty’s Rambles - https://thesession.org/tunes/1843
1:45 - Gallowglass - https://thesession.org/tunes/1369
3:09 - Scotsman Over the Border - https://thesession.org/tunes/548

Track 4:
0:00 - Stoney Steps - https://thesession.org/tunes/571
1:20 - Tarbolton - https://thesession.org/tunes/560
3:04 - Longford Collector - https://thesession.org/tunes/563
4:45 - Sailor’s Bonnet - https://thesession.org/tunes/570

Track 5:
0:00 - McGreevy’s - https://thesession.org/tunes/3065
1:40 - Crosses of Annagh - https://thesession.org/tunes/1170
3:23 - Killavil - https://thesession.org/tunes/1723

Track 6:
0:00 - Up and About in the Morning - https://thesession.org/tunes/3145
2:02 - Gold Ring - https://thesession.org/tunes/37

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Thank you sir^

Also thanks for clearing up the first of track 2. That would have been a tough one :P

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You should download the app Tunepal……awesome app! It records the tune played at a session, and then tells you the name of it, and then you have the option to save it on your own playlist. If you read music, you also have the option to print up the music! GREAT APP!