Dr Donaldson

Dr Donaldson

Could anyone help me out with classifying this tune? Is it a March of some kind?

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I don’t know it (which is not saying much) and neither can I find it. Do you have a link or reference to it?

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Not sure if you’ve linked to the same Donaldson there, Donald?
Your link to the thread goes to Ronnie Cooper Waltzes, but mentions a RC reel called Calum Donaldson, which is nothing like the very snappy 2/4 march, Dr James Donaldson: we play the latter for Canadian Barn Dances. I think Aly Bain has recorded both!

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P.s. I think Dr Jas Donaldson is by Willie Hunter.

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Trish, in that link, two below Calum Donaldson is Dr Donaldson.

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On "Roads Not Travelled" they credit Dr Donaldson to Ronnie Cooper.

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Ok, "Dr James Donaldson", recorded by Willie Hunter on "Leaving Lerwick Harbour", is the same tune as "Dr Donaldson", recorded by Aly & Phil on "Roads Not Travelled". On both CDs the tune is credited to Ronnie Cooper.

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Aha, thanks for clearing up any confusion. Willie Hunter plays Dr James Donaldson on a 1995 Greentrax album, with Violet Tulloch: you can hear it on Spotify. Guessing this is the one that Michael wants as he mentioned a march.
Nigel Gatherer has posted the abc and score for Ronnie Cooper’s Calum Donaldson (reel) on another thread here. Very different tune.

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The 1995 Greentrax album is "Leaving Lerwick Harbour", as mentioned previously and recorded just a few weeks before Willie Hunter died. I have it in my CD collection.
Calum Donaldson is definitely a reel and definitely not the same tune as Dr Donaldson. There was a book of all 46 Ronnie Cooper tunes published in 2013 or so. That would clear up any confusion (but I don’t have a copy - boo-hoo).

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Nor me, nor do I have that CD, though I have the Aly/Phil one. Christmas list!

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I have Ronnie Cooper’s original collection published in 1972, and "Dr James Donaldson" (in Vol.4) is a 4/4 march.

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Hi Nigel, is it just written in 4/4 or is it an actual 4/4 march - the type of tune you would use for a Gay Gordons. Both the recordings I have of the tune have 2/4 type phrases (like for a CBD). As a 4/4 it would be a fast march at 136 bpm. Alternatively, it may have been written with quavers instead of semi-quavers in which case it should really be in 2/2.
But then there always seems to be confusion between the two types. The Headlands, for example, I usually see written in 2/4, despite it having a 4/4 feel.

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It is written in 4/4 and it is described as a march. "The Headlands" in Vol.1 is written in 2/4. Either tune could be written in either time signature, but it’s interesting to look at Cooper’s accompaniment; DJD has the "four crotchets in each bar" sound to it, while TH has "dum-ching, dum-ching" in every bar.

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Ah, that’s interesting because the Tulloch and Cunningham accompaniments both have that four to the bar feel which made it sound a bit like a schottische, if I’ve got my dances correct. The "dum-ching, dum-ching" accompaniment is still what I would expect for (what is called) a 4/4 march, but obviously doubled.

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I’m pretty sure its a 2/4 highland pipe march…or when I transcribed it for pipes from the video of ally and phil a couple of years ago, I played it in 2/4 in the key of A maj.

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Thanks Nigel: since your post, I have actually looked at the score we use, and it IS in 4/4. Now I’ll have to think about how I accompany it! Hopefully with plenty of bounce to get the dancers on their toes! As I said before, we use it for a CBD, but could also do for a Highland Schottische.

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I’ve now got the new Ronald Cooper and Dr James Donaldson is transcribed in cut time, i.e., 2/2. With the note values twice as long this makes it equivalent to 2/4. So it is now written down like a 2/4 march. Still can’t quite decide if that’s what it sounds like, listening to the accompaniment.

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"new Ronald Cooper" BOOK.