Irish tunes resembling kids’ songs

Irish tunes resembling kids’ songs

I had noticed that the first part of "Mouth of the Tobique" [ https://thesession.org/tunes/423 ] has a similar melody line to "The Big Ship Sails on The Ally-Ally-Oh", albeit a little enhanced.

Also, the first part of "Troy’s Wedding" [ https://thesession.org/tunes/2014 ] has a similarity to the chorus of "My Bonnie Lies Over the Ocean" (bring back, bring back ….etc)

Has anyone else noticed this, or is it just the result of me snorting too much brake fluid? 🙂

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Hi Jim,
I think it’s quite normal for kids’ songs to come from old tunes. I can’t think of any Irish ones off the top of my head, but I do know of a few English/Northumbrian ones.
I was only commenting on an album yesterday that I did not know until recently that the song "Oh Dear, What can the Matter Be?", a kid’s song, is actually a trad tune.
I’ve also seen "The Keel Row" and "Elsie Marley" as kids’ songs. There is quite an amusing kiso’ vern of "Elsie Marley" (can’t remember the artist), where kids were encouraged to wake up Elsie!
There is also quite a similartion between "Darling Nellie Gray" (an American song), with the Northumbrian "The Canny Shepherd Laddies." Not exactly the same, but very similar, which is quite surprising really, considering the cultures are very different.

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Tunes are tunes and get recycled in all kinds of forms (take ‘Twinkle Twinkle Little Star’, ‘Buddy, Can You Spare a Dime’, ‘Üsküdar’ and the Israeli national anthem - and any number of tunes and songs in between.) So you’re snorting just the right amount of brake fluid. (Incidentally, neither of the tunes you mention are Irish - but the same applies).

I hadn’t noticed the particular similarities in the tunes you mention (not consciously, at least). I think you’ll find more similarity with ‘The Big Ship Sails’ in this tune https://thesession.org/tunes/3489 .

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Just a bittersweet story here. I had a patient, a little girl, who just didn’t want to do her treatments when she came to the hospital. That is until she sat on my lap (this was a time when we were allowed to treat patients like people) and teach me little children’s songs while I treated her. One of them was the "One, Two, Three, Four, Five I Caught a Fish Alive…" song. It wasn’t until years later that I heard that melody as the first Upperchurch Polka. I think of her and sing the song every time I play it. Feeling just a little sappy now. Thanks for understanding.

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Mickey Chewing Bubble Gum and Bob the Builder

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Not a song, still, wasn’t The Trumpet connected to a children’s TV show. What about Sailor’s Hornpipe and Popeye?

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What tune is "Bob the Builder" related to?

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Of course, there’s the "Ash Grove", which is related to an extremely obscene rugby song with the word "dicky-di-dum" in it … although it could be argued that the song is based entirely on the tune (the tune, set to song).

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@The Wanderer: https://thesession.org/tunes/481

I can hear certain amount of shared melodic material - specifically, a descending run Do La So Mi (A F# E C# or transposed equivalent) between it and ‘Bob the Builder’ but I find it a stretch to say that they are similar tunes overall. I could probably think of numerous other songs and tunes from different genres containing the same string of notes.

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The Kid on the Mountain

Sorry, just that I can’t do the link on this piece 🙁

All the best
Brian x

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[Incidentally, neither of the tunes you mention are Irish]

Thank you for the correction, CMO 🙂

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The Upperchurch No.1 polka, its first part sounds like "One, two, three, four, five, once I caught a fish alive". My mother pointed it, now I can’t unhear it.

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The theme song from the television show "Leave It To Beaver," which ran from 1957-1963 in the US, sounds like an Irish march. The theme song was played at show opening without lyrics. With lyrics, the piece was called "The Toy Parade." I honestly have never heard the lyrics sung.

https://youtu.be/mIptLTtkTSk

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@CreadurMawnOrganig:
Thanks for pointing out the similarity between "Here We Go Looby Loo" and "When the Cock Crows It Is Day". Hadn’t thought of that one before, even though I’ve know "Looby Loo" since I was a kid and "When the Cock Crows" since I started playing this fiddley diddley music.

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I learned The Dimmers off a Lunasa album years ago because it reminded me of Polly Put The Kettle On. Still does