Facebook used as a link - useful or not?

Facebook used as a link - useful or not?

I have seen in this site and other music sites I monitor, that references/links to Facebook are sometimes used. For me, these become dead topics since I have never been on Facebook and never will. I feel strongly that social media sites that do not have a purpose other than to brag and collect friends are not useful, maybe even harmful. I once joined a community orchestra that insisted on communicating with members via Facebook and no other method. That was a deal breaker for me so I left.

So where are you on Facebook?
A. Never used it. Never will.
B. Used it in the past but don’t anymore.
C. Use it just to keep in contact with family/friends/businesses on a very limited, as-need basis. Don’t maintain an active profile.
D. Active personal user, maintain a profile. I would use links to it.
D. Use it for my business or professional capacity but not personally.
E. Other, explain please.

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A.

It baffles me why anyone would give personal information to a giant corporation that you know is going to sell it to advertisers and marketers, at the very least.

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A. I find WhatsApp sufficient social media wise for communicating with family, workmates, friends or other musicians, and find it mildly frustrating when someone sends a link to something I can’t access due to not being on facebook. Though I see WhatsApp is now owned by facebook, so I hope I don’t eventually get kind of forced onto it by them merging it with facebook messenger.

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Yep another negative here. Can’t stand it and frankly get rather p****d off with organisations that do. A local session ran a private facetwerp group, with no public access, even more annoying, whilst the Lowland and Border Piping Society’s decision to swap from supporting a web based forum to a twerpface one ended my subscription to that body and appears to have done little to genuinely extend the organisation’s inclusiveness or reach.

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D (the first one)

At least here in the USA, it’s where huge numbers of trad players are actively participating daily, promoting sessions and other local events, concerts, new CDs, historical videos and photos, discussing instruments in specific groups, and providing excellent private message distribution granularity and filtering.

It’s very rare that I meet someone at a session who isn’t active on Facebook, particularly if they are an iOS or Android user.

Personally, I don’t care if they sell my data, or use it to serve me advertisements for things I might actually want. The value and community provided by the service far outweighs my concerns about their use of my data.

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B. I stopped using Facebook a few years ago.

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E. Read-Only

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I am an active user - I have a smallish number of friends, but they are nearly all people I know personally, particularly old school friends and family. I go onto it every day, and share my news with others and respond to theirs with likes or comments.

It is all very affable - I keep it that way by never posting comments on, or responding, to anything political. I hope there’s enough on my profile to tell people that I’m a Christian but I don’t post much that is religious either - just Christmas greetings etc.

I also use it for posting links to YouTube music videos. It is just generally handy. The messaging service is particularly useful as it’s so easy to exchange photos and other links.

As I use Facebook Purity, I am not bothered by advertisers.

I’ve often seen people saying how they don’t like Facebook, but for me it has been a life-enhancer.

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With all due respect, I really don’t see the point in complaining about this. A very large proportion of the trad playing community exchanges music mainly on Facebook. It’s a bit like saying you don’t think people should hold sessions in pubs. People will play and chat where they congregate together and Facebook is one of those places.

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Im somewhere between C&D, for sessions you cannot really do without Facebook in the Netherlands, all events/sessions are announced through that channel. Then as a consumer of Facebook, I very much enjoy all the Irish traditional music groups, the tune a day’s and all the throwbacks. As well as following all the artists that let me know when and where they have a performance, as well as new record releases.

Altogether I don’t mind if Facebook would offer me advertisements based on the above.

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D
Both personal (rather few friends as I only accept people I know personally or have communicated with)
Also use it to maintain band pages. Find it useful but sometimes annoying. I do not post anything I would be afraid of getting spread.

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B. And I kinda object to any events/groups which are FB only because it excludes people who have chosen to remain outside the surveillance capitalism world.

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I keep track of some music groups if their page is open to the public, outside of that, I wish it had never been invented.

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Never used it and never will. I know too much about how that particular sausage is made, and choose not to participate.

I manage to keep track of local ITM and STM sessions and events well on enough on their respective web sites or by email. I’ve organized successful house concerts using only those contacts and a bit of promotion on the local NextDoor site, which is the closest I get to a social media platform.

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Hi James,
I’m a C. I only just got Facebook 5 months ago. It’s only mainly to keep up maintaining a group that I help run but which will only be active until May.
That being said, I think it’s OK for people to post Facebook links for tune ID’s, etc. Even before I had an account, I was still able to access FB videos that people post… you don’t need an account to view them.

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Forgot to say, for close friends, I text (or email, in the case of one of my friends who is working abroad in Ireland for the year).

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D. I am a fairly active user, but I never post anything particularly private, and I never bring up politics or religion. So most everything I post is lighthearted fun. But it is also pretty useful for promoting shows, promoting my albums, having pages for my bands, and staying loosely in contact with people I meet all over the world. I agree that the vast majority of musicians I meet use facebook, and I would say that at least 3/4 of my facebook friends are from the Irish trad community. So it is actually more useful in my music world than just about anything (except *maybe* this site…)

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A.

There are no local sessions to "keep track of" or to announce (we’re the only ones who play ITM in the area, prefer to keep them small, and if anything, organize them via word of mouth/SMS/email).

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"With all due respect, I really don’t see the point in complaining about this."

@Loughcurra, I definitely respect that FB might offer you more relative value than it does to others. But the way you worded your statement (quoted) goes straight to the heart of why I left FB a few years ago: Using language that shuts down discussion is a problem. People are increasingly summarily dismissive of others’ opinions, and there is no place where that is more true than on FB.

Unmoderated online forums like FB lend themselves to careless callousness in discourse. And not just that, but few of us are experts at judging how our words will come across; so blunders abound and compound; mine included I’m sure.

A pub or bar is not an unmoderated forum: People know the rules and behave accordingly. If not, they’re shown the door. And the bar closes at the end of the day. Not so FB, which is open night, noon, and morning if you’re still thirsty. I saw many FB discussions devolve into virtual, escalating bar brawls spread across days and weeks.

I was an enthusiastic FB user for some years. Eventually I felt that FB had become a net negative for me. And I think I gained more by leaving than I lost.

Really, my point here is that there are a lot of valid points to be made about either using or avoiding FB if you just ask, the way James Stevens did.

My Answer: B

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E. Don’t have a page personally (I’m a bit of a Jimmy naefreends) but I sometimes see things on the missus’ page.

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There are plenty of moderated forums on Facebook, and you have complete control over who can and cannot post to a discussion you start. This includes the ability to limit the visibility of such discussions to specific people, banning specific users, deleting inappropriate or offensive comments, etc. Your barn, your rules.

Yes, there are poorly moderated groups, but you can choose to not join them if the moderation policies aren’t to your liking.

The vast majority of traditional Irish music related groups I’m a member of on Facebook seem to be very well moderated, with a zero tolerance policy to abuse.

I think some people don’t understand the level of control that they actually have over their experience and moderation ability on Facebook and therefore assume everything there is an unmoderated mosh pit. It isn’t.

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Well put, Michael Eskin. That is my experience also. All the whistle, pipes and traditional music groups I am member on FB have a really positive and encouraging tone towards the members. The bad comments are few and far between and are dealt with very quickly in my experience.

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Jeremy: Sorry to belabor anything. But to at least relate this to the OP’s concern about embedding links here that point to membership-protected spaces, it would seem prudent for any poster to find a public space to link to.

Michael, "I think some people don’t understand the level of control that they actually have over their experience and moderation ability on Facebook"

Possibly. Honestly, it has been years. I may have been a member of a group or two, I don’t really recall. But that aside, I do remember that, on any given day, hundreds of posts would show up in my feed or whatever it was called. People arguing. People primping and saying "look at me." Trolls joining "conversations" that showed up in my feed. People asking for donations. People selling things. These were often people I know or had met and might meet again.

FB became a self-appointed town crier. My electronic devices were overflowing with admonishments to go check out this, that, or the other thing or look at what this one or that one had said or done.

I have no idea how the platform works now. But, anyway, after paring things back and paring things down, I think I actually exercised the most appropriate "level of control" for my aims at the time: I shut it off.

That being said, I have only once followed a FB link that I could not access. But I can’t say I’ve tried to follow many.

But this discussion isn’t really a referendum on the FB platform: I think the actual, non-value-laden takeaway from this discussion is as simple as "Try not to hide linked material behind an authentication gateway or a paywall."

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I agree, if you post a FB link here, it would be polite to at least make sure it’s on a public post. That’s easy to check for.

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I use facebook to find out what some friends are doing, promote our church, play scrabble, inform people about our sessions and follow/support new music from musicians. This last use is becoming more important as I like to crowfund music or contribute directly to artists.
I don’t broadcast stuff and I’m careful about my friends.

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D, keep in touch with friends around the world, post shit jokes, maintain my morris sides page, maintain my business page, follow multiple groups.

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I use Facebook. It is most useful for publicising one-off events. I don’t have a lot of trouble with Trolls and so on. If I did I would block them. My news page is covered with adverts these days, which makes it a lot less useful. Almost all the ads I see are for charities, but they get me down a bit.

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"I feel strongly that social media sites that do not have a purpose other than to brag and collect friends are not useful". Surely that ‘purpose’ depends the user and not the site?
I use Facebook and I have no interest in collecting superficial ‘friends’. Same as in ‘real life’ (as opposed to cyber-space) my friends are very few and I choose them carefully. Nor, being a rather private and rather modest person do I use it to brag. That other people on Facebook do these things is of no concern to me. But again, that’s the very same as in real life.
Living largely as a recluse I find it useful for keeping up with news from my family and old friends from around the world without actually having to write to them or speak on the phone. I am also a member of two groups to do with Irish music and recordings. If, as Michael Eskin pointed out, you understand and exercise your own control, then what’s not to like about Facebook? I find it useful and safer than engaging in real life encounters, and as with this very site, I am consciously very grateful of it.

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My answer falls in with Michael Eskin, Loughcurra and some others. I use it frequently and post often on my profile. I use my profile rather like a blog. Yes, many of my posts are political - I’m a rather stereotypical young American college student in that regard (I mean that humorously and am quite aware that many students don’t post political content on FB). But I have no problem if people choose to skip those posts, or if they want to disagree and discuss, that works also. I’m not very active in sessions so aside from a few posts, most are not music-related. However, I have recently started following a lot of ITM, STM and fiddle groups. I’m not very active in them, but I appreciate what they have to offer.

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Very insightful comments here. Perhaps I judge FB too harshly? I am more on the recluse side of the spectrum as others have admitted to although my Myers-Briggs personality type says I am an ESTP (topic for another posts maybe?) which implies I might like/enjoy what Facebook offers. But I also have never joined Twitter or instagram for the same privacy reasons that caused me to avoid FB.

I wish I could audit the FB content without selling my soul and having to join it. I really don’t want the tension and social pressure involved in managing who I friend and who I turn away. Once on Facebook, my extended family would be sure to want me as a contact/friend and then I would be subject to all the political crap that I try so hard to avoid. My personal barn doesn’t really take easily to uninvited guests to borrow the concept used above.

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James, I have gone through all of those trepidation’s but eventually learning all the tricks of dealing with it (after initially quitting facebook 3 times). When somebody sends you a friend request you just delete it and they get no notification of rejection. Also, you have privacy settings that limit who can see or respond to anything you post. I post hardly anything, and I only read something if I find it genuinely interesting, such as the Irish Traditional Vinyl record site I joined, but couldn’t have joined without a facebook account . I very rarely comment, though I look every day (like reading the newspaper and mumbling to myself). Most of my ‘friends’ (10 I think?) would think I rarely visit my page. I have it set so they don’t know. I may get the occasional message, but other than that my facebook footprint is fairly invisible to everybody. And you can block any unwanted rubbish. That stuff annoys the crap out of me. Even though I could just chose to ignore it I have a compulsion to block it.

Not that I am trying to sell the idea to you. I easily understand a lot of your general hesitancy. But It works for me only in that it is a good substitute for having to actually engage with people who know me and that is a relief to me. An occasional smiley face in response to a joke or good news is enough socialisation to exhaust me and satisfy them. As for Twitter and instagram. I have no idea what they are or how they work and have no desire to find out. I don’t even have a mobile phone.

Also James, I had to look up ESTP. I have never heard of it. I think I am just about the total opposite, which quite ironically, is what has for years, made me appreciate this site as well as, to a far lesser degree, facebook. I have more friends on this site than I have on facebook, by the way. And on here, people may have noticed… I actually get quite gobby at times.

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I have managed to avoid it so far, so I think I can for the rest of my life. A couple of e-groups that I used to enjoy - fiddle-l and a Cape Breton music group - moved to Facebook, so they lost me. And I lost them. Mainly ‘cause I’m just too damn ornery to be pushed into joining anything.

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I value Facebook for the casual connection to friends from several different circles, and for business purposes. Facebook advertising is inexpensive and well-targeted, which is why it works well for personal service type businesses. I only occasionally post things, and tend to keep them light and a-political.

For serious marketing, Facebook is useful, but should only be one part of your advertising. I would never post facebook links in a non-facebook forum.

For discussions and special-interest conversations, I much prefer non-social-media forums like this one and Chiff and Fipple, as the Facebook feed technology is not easy to control, use or search. The Flute History Channel is usually interesting, but it is much less functional than the Chiff and Fipple flute forum which is easy to search via google: "site:forums.chiffandfipple.com rudall"

Finally, there is a serious and real problem with the AI algorithms used by these platforms. They are designed to entice you into buying things or consuming information. Fine, we kind of understand about advertising. The problem is that they assess what you are looking at, and then feed you a more radical version of similar things. Youtube in particular is insidious and possibly even evil: You search on dinosaurs, and pretty soon you are being fed "The 10 most fearsome dinosaurs", and then you are fed dinosaurs fighting videos, and then you are fed dinosaur snuff videos. Search on Hillary Clinton and you are slid quickly into conspiracy theories like the pizza-gate thing; these algorithms are being manipulated by troll farms to creating disinformation.

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Dinosaurs fighting videos?!! Where have I been??

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Ha! My Myers-Briggs letters are the complete opposite to that and I’m an INFJ.
As for pressure to have certain friends on Facebook, it took me quite a while to relax about that. I have privacy settings so that only friends of friends can see me and only friends can see my posts. But if I get a request from someone and don’t want to friend them, I just delete it. I "un-follow" people who post multiple times a day though because I don’t see the point in that… Why does the whole world need to know you tried a new Mexican restaurant? Un-following still allows the friendship, and they don’t see that you’re purposely choosing not to see their posts.
My dad has Facebook for work purposes, and is very tech-savvy, but chooses not to accept friends at all. It’s never done him any harm and he’s never been pressured by others for it.
I find a lot of peoples’ attitudes on here really admirable, actually. At 23 it can sometimes be hard not to care what others think, but I hear that with age, it becomes less and less of an issue.
You can also block people who are nasty, even if you’re not friends on there, which is nice.

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D. Use it a lot for family and social stuff, tho’ don’t necessarily send all my posts to everyone on my friends list. (Many people who have never used it seem to have the misconception that everything you put on it goes to the whole world at large: it doesn’t, unless you choose "public" in your settings.)
Pretty well every folk club or group I belong to has a Facebook group or page, and it is invaluable for communicating event notices, dates of gigs, any last-minute changes etc. Yes, we have email lists as well, but the majority of members now pay more attention to Facebook than emails. I am an "admin" in a couple of groups, so can delete or hide posts or block any people who abuse our group guidelines.
I also use Messenger quite a bit for private messages: again they seem to be picked up more reliably than sending emails to people who don’t read them!

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Used it for a very short time 10 years ago when I had to communicate with a group of co-workers outside of official channels. Got rid of it shortly thereafter. Won’t ever consider using it again. I work in the realm of information security and all of the red flags are there and waving wildly.

I also don’t need to know that Cousin Edna’s dog got into the kitty litter or what her hubby got her for valentine’s day. If somebody is offering this type of platform for free, YOU are the commodity.

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B - used Facebook but not now. Sinister elements to its use. Because I was deemed an "Anti-Semite" for criticising Israel in Tel Aviv this year and was stupid enough to give my online details to someone saying he was involved in an open discussion forum on Israel, my Facebook account was hacked and frozen. I bowed out of Facebook and consider myself better off without it. (You wouldn’t believe the elaborate spy system operating the state of Israel, and "hasbara" is a juicy Hebrew word for propaganda which is an important industry in this bloomin country). Happy New Year to all.

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E, but close to C. I joined because various music related groups used it in addition to email. I think it works well for that as it’s easier for a co-ordinator to post updates than with a web site and better for chatting that email. Handy for things like last-minute spare tickets to sold-out local gigs. Other than that I use it very occasionally to keep in contact with acquantancies who also seem only occasional users and almost never talk to people I don’t already know.

Apart from that I find it creepy and distasteful in many ways, from bizarre click-bait to being fed snippets of other people’s converations.

The way it joins up networks is fascinating. I have only one Facebook ‘friend’ who is active on trad music forums (not this one though), due to conversations over a flute, but that throws a chink of light into ‘parallel worlds’ that would otherwise be hidden - including Facebook suggesting Michael Eskin as a friend and me being fed a post by llig!

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So, David50, did you send me a friend request? 🙂

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Here in Tassie you can hire Wicked Camper Vans. They are adorned with quite different art and grafitti.

I spotted one the day before yesterday, its subtle message

"I used to have a life…then I discovered Facebook!"

All the best
Brian x

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The following isn’t entirely OT because it explains the reason some of us avoid FB like the plague. It’s an article from the Atlantic magazine web site last year by James Fallows, quoting an explanation of how FB works. Read the extended quote after the first few paragraphs by Michael Jones, an ex-Google employee current working for Niantic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2018/04/googles-one-time-chief-technology-advocate-on-making-facebook-likable/557378/

I understand why people still want to use FB for the benefits it brings. But if you’re going to use it, at least use it with eyes open, understanding to what extent you are selling yourself as a product by using this "free" service, and the impact it has on society at large with social manipulation by outside agencies because Facebook doesn’t care where that data ends up.

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Even if you’re not on FB, the bad guys can get a lot of info about you from what your family and friends post.

I’m a B, used it years ago but not any more.

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"Even if you’re not on FB, the bad guys can get a lot of info about you from what your family and friends post."

True, and I’m not a complete hermit when it comes to online activity. You can’t be, these days. I just believe in using "free"services with my eyes wide open about what the trade-offs are, and setting limits where I think it makes sense. So far, I’ve been able to enjoy playing Irish traditional music with friends and keep track of ongoing events while keeping those limits in place.

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I feel Facebook has too much personal information— by design— about people to be used as a public forum for much of anything. I use it only for people who know me in real life. I don’t see any reason a session, comments section, or other internet group needs access to my photos, friends and family, workplace, etc. (if those things are posted/kept public; maybe these days you have more of a choice about hiding some things). There is no reason they need my entire background just to gain my input or attendance. If I went to a session or was having a discussion with someone on the street I wouldn’t be expected to announce my full name, where I live and work, who my friends and family are, what my hobbies and interests are, etc., so why would I want to do this online?

And in this age where technology is a menace and can enable some scary things: no, someone doesn’t need every unhinged person who they disagreed with on a message board having a way to find out exactly who they are and where to find them (at least not without a bit more effort than just being handed "here is my full name and where I live and where I work and what I look like and who my family is" on a silver platter).

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E.

I don’t have a Facebook account. I’m fine with video links to any sites which I can view the video as long as I am not asked to login to a website. As far as how useful are these links? It depends.

Having said that I probably won’t sign up with Facebook in the foreseeable future…

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/12/opinion/facebook-google-privacy-policies.html

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisNews/videos/428964917805500/

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistleblower-christopher-wylie-faceook-nix-bannon-trump

Finally, how about this video?
https://youtu.be/9jEI0FtGhb4


Happy 2020, Mustard!

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@ Michael Eskin. No request, all my Facebook ‘friends’ are people who I have had face-to-face conversations with. My approach is similar to Katia12’s. Conversations on forums like this are more like those in the pub or at the bus stop - bits of personal background information and opinions come out if relevant at the time and it doesn’t matter if I know people’s names or not.

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It is a bit peculiar that some of the folk worried about security are also encouraging the rest of us to follow links to other sites. That is something I try to avoid doing: no knowing where you actually end up.

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allan21, all the links posted in this thread have been to sites that most folks will recognize as legit: The Atlantic magazine, New York Times, the Guardian, and Facebook itself. I don’t post or usually follow obscured or shortened links like tinyurl ones, but it’s safe enough if you recognize the destination from the name in the address.

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Allan, you make your own choice about which links to follow. The choice is entirely yours. My intention is not to make you go on another site if you don’t want to. I’m assuming you are not interested in any of the first 3 links I posted. Fair play. However, and I don’t want to force you, but I think you might like to know about the YouTube link. It is a session playing tunes & you may recognise the mandolin player (on the right side of the video).

"Frances Marriott with some of her ‘Fairweather Fiddlers’ workshop group performing a few tunes at Brighton Acoustic Club in August 2019. Tunes are The Laurel Tree, Man of the House, Gallant Tipperary Boys and The Bank of Turf. Frances runs Irish tune learning workshops for mixed instruments, as well as being a highly experienced teacher of Irish fiddle to individuals of all levels from complete beginners onwards."

Cheers!

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"it’s safe enough if you recognize the destination from the name in the address." And, unlike at least two other music forums some of us visit, things are set up here so that the text of the link really is the URL you will go to.

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For people who have reservations about disclosing too much info and using FB might consider using a nom de plume and need disclose nothing. This opens up the wealth available With few drawbacks . I think that is still a possible route.
Ive found it an amazing tool, reestablished contact withpeople from decades ago, and met many more . Great networking tool . Costs nothing, use FB purity and fluff busting and friendly app and its a fairly enjoyable environment .

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If you use Facebook to ‘reestablish contact’ it seems like you are giving some information about yourself.
¿No lo crees?

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@Will: "For people who have reservations about disclosing too much info and using FB might consider using a nom de plume and need disclose nothing. This opens up the wealth available With few drawbacks . I think that is still a possible route."

The initial info you reveal when signing up isn’t important. What Facebook monetizes is the data scraped from every single post you make, and your relationships to other FB users. If you read the article from the Atlantic magazine link I posted above, you’ll learn how this works.

To paraphrase one part of the article: Facebook records information about your age, eating habits, travel schedule, phone and text use, the same for your kids, your neighbors, others with the same hobby interest, and so on. They sell that profile to anyone, they don’t keep it private and internal. There is no "hygiene" as there is with a Google search.

Google will use your search info to send you ads via third parties, but no other information about you leaves Google. With Facebook, they sell "who you are" including all your FB activity, to any company that pays them. That info is then used to target you from multiple directions across your entire online life. Whether the benefits of FB offset that lack of privacy is a decision we all make, but it’s a decision that should be informed by knowledge of how the system actually works.

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[For people who have reservations about disclosing too much info and using FB might consider using a nom de plume and need disclose nothing.]

I wouldn’t set too much store on a pseudonym preventing FB & co. from identifying you. Your IP address would be a dead giveaway for one thing. And whenever you accept a friend request, or "like" anything, or even read anything, you are disclosing info. that they want and can make use of to build a profile of you.

Perhaps only logging on from a VPN and giving fb an email address from a private, preferably encrypted, email provider (not gmail, hotmail, etc.) that you use for nothing else and correspond with nobody from might give you anonymity. What do the geeks think?

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Ok but FB doesnt know my name , age , eating habits , travel schedule, phone or text use . I dont get adds . IP address is “ dublin” which covers Ireland.
I agree in general privacy and security are important but like any tool FB has its issues and can be used for good or for bad .
Regarding contacts , im mostly known by my first name so its been no obstacle that my surname is not the same as my ID , i do use a picture of me so im sure the security apparatus and interpol could ID me from the biometrics installed in various airports but they have zero interest .
If you go onto the streets of much of western Europe you will probably be on video somewhere, from drones on the sky, security cameras, smart phones, does that mean we dont use “ the street” ? its a peril of modern life .
Sure FB never made a penny off me but they provide a great service . Cant complain.
Its like. “ the internet” it has its uses but it could be avoided .

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That’s interesting, Will. I have friends who prefer for their name on their FB profile to be their first name and their middle name, and I always wondered why, when they reveal so much about themselves online.

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One note about using www.facebook.com/groups to link a session listing to it’s website.
If the facebook group is public everyone can view it. If it is private you need to login. If it’s secret
I think you have to be a member of the group.

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I always use a false D.O.B.

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This has been such a revealing thread about the users of this site vs. Facebook groups.

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I hope it is revealing, Michael. Discussions can be productive. This one has promise I believe.
What revelations have you had regarding similarities between thesession.org & trad music groups on Facebook?

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D. Because it’s pretty much too late to worry about it, at this point. 🙂

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It’s been productive in helping me to understand the increasing insular nature of discussions on this site and the personality traits that have driven it in that direction. Not that that is a bad thing in itself, but it’s definitely decreased my desire to participate much here in the future. I know many others who share my experience and now interact primarily on Facebook rather than here.

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Any public group links?

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"I know many others who share my experience and now interact primarily on Facebook rather than here."
Not me, that’s for sure. Here, I feel like a legitimate member of of a good and safe community.

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—"For people who have reservations about disclosing too much info and using FB might consider using a nom de plume and need disclose nothing."—

Not always easy. Me, I had one already (still not with my real name) and decided to create a second since so many websites want you to use Facebook to comment and I wasn’t going to use my real one (for the reasons I stated above). Nopers, no go. As soon as I created the account (we’re talking within minutes), Facebook locked it down with "you have to upload a picture of yourself to prove you’re a real person." Nope, not happening since the point of the thing was anonymity, so that was the end of that idea. (Though I do wonder how all the spammers I see in comments sections managed to make theirs go through, then…)

Never mind if you want to change your name on Facebook— they expect you to send in ID. Ha, no.

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My photo on face-book is actually a mug shot of that creepy looking laughing sailor dummy that used to live in a glass box at the Blackpool pleasure park in the 1960’s.

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I have friends and relatives who are teachers. They are not allowed to post on Facebook under their true identity in case they are identified by pupils so they adopt pseudonyms.
I don’t have a pic of myself on any of the pages I run.

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Its the same throughout life, either we are security conscious or not…..
but as europe and the entire western world is devolving into a totalitarian dystopian dysfunctional state under the thin veneer of ‘democracy’ with biometric border controls with fingerprint and face scans its A lot bigger than Facebook!

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What bothers me about joining Facebook and other social web sites, including this one but to a much, much less degree, is the permanence of anything you say, do, like, dislike or link to. In real life you can have a bad day and say something you wish you had phrased differently, not said at all, and change or mollify it by apologizing.

Anything said on Facebook (and Twitter) appears to be permanent, it is probably saved and there to be used against you if salacious enough even if you deleted it. I am retired but if I was still in the workforce I would be hesitant to be really involved in Facebook and the other social sites. It is a fairly common thing to see someone fired because something they did on social media was dug up years later. To lighten this up a bit, a recording of my fiddle playing would surely get me banned from most sessions, I’m glad it’s not out there! ;)

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@James Stevens Like!

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Aidan - thanks.

And I am my own example of poor word choice and permanence. I used the word “salacious” in my previous post not realizing that it only applied to sexual content. I tried to change it to a different word but now I can’t do that. So it is there forever, someone searching me might believe I have all sorts of salacious posts that I’m trying to hide. I have met the enemy and he is me! Hilarious!

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Funnily enough, maybe the permance of statements will lead to more honesty?

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It depends, Allan. I tend to think honesty is a virtue which thrives if you live by it. That is what I found sadly disappointing about the most important person at facebook being confronted by Rep. Katie Porter yet
he hesitates to address her questions. She frames it with the company’s own statements (and actions)
yet I fail to see where he is answering her with anything I can see as even a shred of honesty.
Make me a believer, Mr. Zuckerburg. Be honest; or step down. Literally billions of people depend on you.

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“Funnily enough, maybe the permance of statements will lead to more honesty?”

How’s that going so far? 🙂

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Earlier today I got an ad on my Facebook feed for Temple Bar TradFest, even though I live nowhere near the area. Very interesting!

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B.
I used it from 2010-2013, then deleted my account. The core problem with Facebook is that it’s an unethical organization that largely has no oversight, and the user is the product. On a more sinister level, it also has undemocratic or even anti-democratic tendencies (or at least lets itself be utilized to that end).

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Nobody is even noticing that Zina Lee posted for the first time in a year? (Because she’s too busy using Facebook instead…) 😛

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I noticed, Reverend. Always good to hear from Zina Lee. ;

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Like it or not it’s the best place currently to dialogue with the top makers, players, historians of the music.
Lots of former members here who no longer post here post their valuable information there.
I still love this site and Chiff and fipple but unfortunately it’s mostly nostalgia for the discussion side of it.
The serious discussion has moved on.
That’s not to discourage or devalue these sites it simply is as it stands for me.

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I should also say though the session is still the best place to find tune settings. Comments section with notes and different settings is and will always be magic.

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"Nobody is even noticing that Zina Lee posted for the first time in a year? (Because she’s too busy using Facebook instead" …..Yeah, I am another who noticed. I just didn’t know what to say. I wish she’d come back, but she chooses not to. It’s good that she doesn’t actually leave though. It’s nice to know she still has a look. Good on ya Zina.

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Sad about Zina. I abandoned Facebook this year.

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I want to give a shout out to our numero uno. Jeremy and I do not always agree. That’s fine with me because
I do not expect, wish for nor need people who ‘go along’ with anything I post. ‘We’ may be united through
the tunes. That is why we are here. That is why some members who never post frequently peek in the door.
That is why people on mudcats & the chiff talk about us. That is why Kenny, Phantom Button, Matt Heaton, Aidan Crossey (good gawd ya’ll, it’s Aidan!) and Zina Lee simply cannot resist. Resistance is futile.

We may be united through the tunes and through playing sessions. But we can be a semi-diverse, sometimes unruly, often opinionated lot. Jeremy cannot love all of us though he has a good heart. By this I mean he is very social, appreciates the music and I’ve never accepted this until now; Jeremy 100% serves the best interests of the members. That’s all of us who contribute. He keeps this site going through his understanding of the internet, the constant needs to keep this expanding experiment online, he takes time to meet players and visit sessions &; Jeremy has another life which he blogs about on his website ~ https://adactio.com/journal/16285

I’m saying all this because it was on adactio where I found the true value of this site. ‘This’ site is as good as anything on a different channel, URL… whatever you call it. Thesession.org is only what the members make of it. But it is because Jeremy is a mensch. This is a good thing. I had to call to my Jewish friend to find this out.
She said, "You’re probably talking about a mensch". I know this is off topic. Jeremy may roll his eyes when he reads my comments. He may send me a message about it. Did I say we don’t always agree?

Jeremy Keith, you are a mensch. I never thought I’d say this but I’m very glad to finally realise you are much more vigilant about our well fair than I ever knew.

;
AB

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—"Anything said on Facebook (and Twitter) appears to be permanent, it is probably saved and there to be used against you if salacious enough even if you deleted it."—

And can be shared to anyone and everyone, which means something you might, IRL, whisper in one friend’s ear (and which, IRL, if they chose to pass it on would just be their word against yours) can be sent by them to everyone they know, who can then send it to everyone *they* know, and soon you go to Taiwan for the first time and meet someone and they say "Oh, you’re the one that said {x}!"


—"Funnily enough, maybe the permance of statements will lead to more honesty?"—

Or, people being accused of dishonesty because their feelings/beliefs/opinions/knowledge have changed from when they posted something years ago.

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Whether I like it or not, I’m stuck with Facebook if I want to work and a social life. Most of my friends are on it and use it to organise stuff. I had one friend in that group who wasn’t (he now lives in London), and we would have to remember to send him a standard text if we were arranging any gathering because you couldn’t whack him into a Facebook group chat, and because we’re terrible people, we sometimes forgot. It’s just easier to not be that person. And I like posting pictures of mountains and political rants on it, fully aware of how Facebook mines data, but I’ve been on it so damned long I’ve become resigned. Call it learned helplessness if you like.

For a wee while, I didn’t use my real last name, but eventually changed it back because I started in journalism and found it extremely convenient for contacting sources via PMs (otherwise, you can spend half a day searching for other contact information) and for some shameless self-promotion. It took me about five seconds to realise that contacting someone under a pseudonym, and then explaining that my real name was something else, was far too complicated and unprofessional. My profile photo, however, might be a couple of oryxes.

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That’s my main concern. If I was on facebook I would not use a pseudonym. It just defeats the purpose of the usefulness if I needed a facebook type platform. Professionally I do not need facebook. Socially it might help but that’s assuming I’m checking it regularly & that it would be easier to reach all of my contacts through facebook than by email, text, phone or in person.

To be sure I do use Facebook. This is why I keep asking about groups which are public. If I can get information, find out what’s happening, keep updated, not have banners which make it difficult to read the page, not have to register, not have to post then Facebook is brilliant. But this is only the case if a Facebook group is public.

If it’s public I’m in there. Easy-peasy.

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I suppose Facebook has developed into the easiest way to contact most people I need to contact, rather than text, email, Whatsapp, or anything else. It must depend on your social circle. And whatever Facebook’s flaws, you can control who sees what you post on your newsfeed, which you can’t do on a forum like this one. Most of the time, that doesn’t matter, but I had a horse-related question I wanted some advice on, and due to quite a lot of batsh*t crazy drama surrounding moving my horse to a new stable, I didn’t want certain individuals to be able to figure out her location (horse people are insane). I posted my query on Facebook instead of the Horse and Hound forum for that reason.

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I get how Facebook is a very sophisticated platform. My niece uses it so I hear stories from her about things like controlling who sees your posts (not sure what a newsfeed is but I get the concept that you can manage & control such things). She deals with a ‘crazy’ now & again in her work with organising girls’ softball. Crazy parents; not crazy girls.
Having said that, I expect people to be crazy. No offense but if you’re reading this, if the cap fits… crazy on trad is better than other crazy. Dr., my niece is also a horse person. Not insane, although she has two teenage daughters so, "who knows?".

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Actually, I posted here because Michael Eskin posted about it…on Facebook, and it was just too funny not to say something, even if I was the only one who got it. 🙂

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I’m a B. I joined Facebook years ago to join a small private group of former so-workers and friends. I was frequently bothered by requests to become "friends" with people I never knew. It was a hassle but I finally just ignored it all. I checked out a few special music groups that had content I was attracted to, but honestly I got much more out of specific forums that were well moderated. Then, as I learned more about Facebook’s practices and extremely low standards - and how corrupting I believe it to be - I dumped it. I’m sure there’s lots of stuff on there I’d enjoy seeing, and I know some great people who use it. But I personally can’t stomach it and will never go on it again.