Looking for suggestions for tunes in 5/4

Looking for suggestions for tunes in 5/4

A fiddler’s suggestion led to me this lovely Mike Mcgoldrick tune (starts in 5/4 [with a phrasing split of 2,3] and then goes on to 6/4) and I have been stuck in this rabbit hole for days now …

https://youtu.be/luqd4rjO554


Would someone have some more suggestions along these lines ? Tunes in 5/4 or 7/4 for that matter ?

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This is one of mine. It was recorded by Harpist Wendy Stewart ( on “About Time”) and more recently, Marie na Chathersaigh and Chris Newman on (FireWire)

I can’t see how to post it within this thread but I’ll try to post it on its own.

X:1
T:Pheasant Feathers
C:Andy Hornby 1989 (pub Grian music 1992)
M:5/4
L:1/8
K:G
g2fd- df e2c2|d2BG- Gc B2G2|A2FD- Dc B2G2|[M:6/4]A2G F2A G2B2d2|
[M:5/4]g2fd- df e2c2|d2BG- Gc B2G2|A2FD- Dc B2G2|[M:6/4]A2G F2A G6:|
|:[M:6/4]DE FG AF G2B2d2|AB cd ec d2e2f2|g2f d2f e2c4|d2c B2d A6|
[M:5/4]g2fd- df e2c2|d2BG- Gc B2G2|A2FD- Dc B2G2|[M:6/4]A2G F2A G6:|

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I have tried to post it as a tune in its own right.

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Check out my set please, both of them please may you.

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Rocky Road to Dublin, despite having "12345" in the lyrics, is usually played as a slip jig (9/8), but I have come across one band who did it in 5/4. Trying to remember who it was!

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My first meeting with 5/4 was on the Fairport Convention album "Red and Gold", track 2 - Noise Club. This, and the one(s) by Mike McGoldrick stand out. (I’ve also written a few myself.)

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As a lark, I’ve heard (and played) "The Butterfly" in 5/4 by extending the phrasing a bit. It doesn’t sound as organic as a tune written for 5/4, it’s just a party trick but it works. There are probably many more ITM standards that could be murdered this way.

If you have a strong attraction to the odd-time signatures of 5, 7, 11, I’d suggest exploring Bulgarian and Macedonian folk music where you’ll find scads of odd-time tunes.

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Here’s another McGoldrick one from the Usher’s Island album. They take the Drunken Landlady, and extend the first note of each phrase to put it in 5/4. I generally hear it as "one two three, one two". Fun to play, too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr0wNJZ-l1U

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I’ve just posted ‘Waltz in 5-time’. Is this the sort of thing you’re looking for?

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Whoa - What a swell bunch of people ! I know what I will be doing over the weekend. Thanks all for your suggestions ; much appreciated.

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"Hambo om bakfoten" by Sven Asmussen is the first 5/4 tune I heard and a very good tune it is. I think I was around 9 or 10 the first time I heard it.
Here played by Sven Asmussen and Toots Thielemans:
https://youtu.be/tR9zSWiVvXI?t=299

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A more traditional tune in 5/4 is the well known Swedish song "En gång i min ungdom" (Once in My Youth)
Here in a funny arrangement by Jan Johansson and friends:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtcRqnloC_s

The lyrics are something along the line of "Once in my youth I loved a maiden so pure and beautiful - but then she left me" extended over four verses.

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If 5/8 is ok there is also the Paidushko Horo that Lúnasa recorded on their Kinnitty Sessions album, though they mistakenly called it "Djinovsko Horo".
The second setting X:2 here has the bar lines correctly for 2+3/8 paidushko horo time:
https://thesession.org/tunes/2983

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Great thread people!

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Tunes for Pajdusko Oro (not just Lunasa’s version) are classic, wonderful examples of the two-three pulse. Searching in Macedonian (Пајдушко) yields extra videos, recordings, etc. An old friend of mine loves to point out that the two-three pulse is the rhythm of the human heartbeat (lub-dub, lub-dub…).

Take Five is nice, but three-two just ain’t the same.

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I was looking for a gentle way out of the rabbit hole of odd rhythms, as opposed to being led into one labyrinth after the other 🙂

Lovely suggestions people - thanks ! I am glad I asked the question - I am amazed at the range of the responses. What a beautiful way it turned out to be to merrily go on a jaunt across various styles and genres by picking on the the one common strand of odd rhythms !! I am loving it.

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Many years ago I heard a local accordion player, Pam Connell, playing a tune for the local Morris dancers called Hole In The Wall. It stuck in the back of my head for a long time but somehow I had it in 5/4. Anyway I eventually got it down and made a YT clip of it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81fkM-WhL24

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Thanks for asking! We enjoy challenging time signatures, and the bands that write in them - my band The Craic of northern BC plays
In 5/8: Serendipity (Goitse), part 1 & 3
In 7/8: Marga’s Moment (Brian Finnegan);
L’air Mignonne/Canadian Sunset (Ímar), part2, “Luke Skywalker Walks on Sunshine”;
Pontivy (Michael McGoldrick);
Serendipity (Goitse), part 2 & 4;
White Strand (Ímar), with mixed time sigs;
Slip Jigs (9/4): Steps (Brian Finnegan), Part 2;
Virginia Jigs (NUA), part 1;
Wide Open (NUA), part 3
Compound time: Boodlin’ (Goitse) - part 1, 7/8: Part 2, 11/8: (4+4+3)

I get great exercise, just taking a walk, and counting to myself my footsteps in these meters. I hope you’ll too.

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I like that tune, Tony O’Rourke, and I hear 3*5 + 6 = 21/4. I play along with your recording, on my mandolin.
We are a rare breed in popular music, who can feel anything but 4/4. Good job!

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I assume, since you’re looking for 5/4 tunes, you’re willing to look beyond ‘the tradition’ and a little beyond Ireland. If you dont mind taking a tangent off a tangent, you might like this tune, which is mostly 5/4 but with a couple of bars of 6/4 in each part:

https://youtu.be/cDA-U8M0wkU


It was co-composed by two musicians from England (one of them with a strong Irish music background, the other as English as roast beef) ‘about’ a village in Wales.

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X:1
T:March of the Alpaca
M:5/8
R:
L:1/8
K:G
|: GGG BG | ABc BG | GGG BG | cde dA |
| BBB dB | cde df | gfe dB |1 cde dB :|2 cde ga |
|: bdd bc’| agf ed | bdd bd’| d’c’b c’a|
| bdd bc’| agf ed | e=ff ec |1 ddd ga :|2 ddd cB|

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Suleman’s Kopanitsa (11/8) is one of my favorites from Mozaik’s ‘Live From The Powerhouse’

Here’s a video of Andy and Rens performing it live as a duo, on octave mandolin and mandola https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1NuXEqV0bI


The kopanitsa is Bulgarian in origin.

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The Butterfly yes, our band would play it in 15/8, which fits the Take Five backup and chord changes perfectly.

You create it by taking one triplet away from every other bar:

|1 2 3, 4 5 6, 7 8 9| 1 2 3, 4 5 6 | 1 2 3, 4 5 6, 7 8 9 | 1 2 3, 4 5 6 |

or in other words the bars alternate between 9/8 and 6/8, but by combing the bars (so it stays in one time signature) you get 15/8

| 1 2 3, 4 5 6, 7 8 9, 10 11 12, 13 14 15 |

It works because both 15/8 and 5/4 are quintuple time; the former is quintuple compound time and the latter is quintuple simple time.

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About Bulgarian dance music, only Paidushko is 5/16. (The Bulgarians like to use a sixteenth-note denominator; I think an eighth-note denominator makes more sense coming from Irish music.)

2+3 (5/16) Paidushko

Then they get longer

2+2+3 (7/16) Rutchenitsa
2+2+2+3 (9/16) Diachovo
2+2+3+2+2 (11/16) Kopanitsa
3+2+2+2+3 (12/16) (I don’t remember what this dance is called)
2+2+2+2+3+2+2 (15/16) Buchimish

and the winner is

2+2+2+3+2+2+2+3+2+2 (22/16) Sandansko Horo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTviFjZ6FWw

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Another dance from Bulgaria, "Sedi Donka" described on Wikipedia as: "Sedi Donka (Donka is sitting): One of the most unusual musical patterns in Bulgaria, Sedi Donka is in 25/16 meters. It is subdivided 7+7+11, which in turn can be subdivided 3 2 2, 3 2 2, 2 2 3 2 2."

Played here by a young Chris Thile and Mike Marshall on mandolins:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok6wkHl8h8c

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Back in 1996, the NW Pennsylvania duo "Armor & Sturdevant" put out a CD titled _You Dance Like You Drive_. The humorous title cut was a great 5/4 song by Dave Sturdevant with a wonderful fiddle tune bridge, also in 5/4. The song was chosen for play on the _Car Talk_ radio program.

Sadly, the duo is a duo no longer, and the track is obscure enough that I can’t give a link to it. Not much help, I know; but I like this cut so much I felt compelled to mention it!

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Very busy discussion, I am lost.What genre of music is it about?