avoiding wind-ups

avoiding wind-ups

Hi. Guess this is more related to the website (and it’s not directed at any one person) than to Irish music in particular, but I just wanted to toss this little public service announcement out there. FYI I work in the field of emotional support, so it’s basically my job to deal with people (i.e. students) who make it their goal to try to annoy people (i.e. teachers) because they crave attention. Anywho, here goes:

If something is clearly a wind-up and likely a desperate attempt for attention, just avoid the discussion altogether. If a person starts some crazy thread and is clearly just trying to get a reaction from people, and that person indeed gets a reaction, they are going to keep pushing your buttons. If you want the person to go away, stop responding to them and eventually they are going to look silly because they are complaining and nobody is listening.

Again, this has sort of been mentioned before and I know I’m not in charge here, but being that my profession deals with this stuff on a daily basis and it is not necesarily common sense, I thought I might just toss that out there to anybody in the dark about behavior modification stuff.

Hope this concept helps anybody continually upset by people just trying to make them upset. Stop responding and they will stop posting.

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You cannot be serious - I have never read such rubbish in all my life - seriously, only messing, you’re dead right.

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Speaking as an accordion and concertina player, the motives behind button pushing are all too clear to me, but it’s part of the music and just something I’ve learned to accept regardless of how upsetting it is to others or myself.

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As a mandolin player I don’t worry about my buttons being pushed.

I just fret.

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This is some kind of wind-up, ignore him folks.

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OK, so you don’t want to hear about the ground-breaking music news yesterday, "Musicologists discover the key of ‘H’?"
All right then. It’s your loss. 🙂

Jim

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The Germans discovered the key of "H" centuries ago. In English we call it B flat, though. True story.

%7)

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Remember Kryten’s discovery of the new musical notes Bo and Ro?

We often play in the key of Bo.

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But some of the wind-ups are sooooooooooo funny. And they provide inside joke fodder for years to come. I think these people should be welcomed with open arms.

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This "wound up" being a pretty humourous thread indeed!
AL Brown

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On a serious note, Jason’s suggestion is aimed at frivolous or windy-uppy thread starters. But what if someone starts unproductive and unpleasant wind-ups and slaggings inside sensible and otherwise productive threads.

Jason - your professional advice please: what if "one particular name seems to pop up in alot of these threads that involve disagreements etc - stirring and giving opinions that really aren’t needed" - a quote from a recent thread.

Like, sort of, so we could be ready just in case that ever happened.

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Dave, let’s not pursue that one. I’m worried he was talking about me!

:^)

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I certainly wasn’t Kerri!!
Do you think I was out of order saying this guys? -

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Stefanpaz, stop disagreeing, or we will start ignoring your comments!

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Hey, everybody! Look what I can do!

I can rub rosin on my face, stand on one foot, wave my hands over my head and go:

LaLAlalAlalalaLaLaLaLalAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Will you be my friend? I have a pool…

GIMME A HALL PASS! I HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM!!!!!!!!!!!

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(NOTE: it was a joke. I really like Kerri, and I really like Stefan. Please do not start to ignore my threads)

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spoko!!!!!!!!

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do you hear a toilet flushing?

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Sorry that’s me.

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Speaking as a retired psychiatric occupational therapist (which speaks nothing about my level of insight, but is true nontheless) and as a musician (which speaks even less, I fear) AND as a concertina player (which says loads)

I see a mutually symbiotic relationship between the winders and their repondents…the winderees

I don’t really think it bothers anyone does it? It is benign and easy to ignore and is quite an amusement on a musicless evening. It’s a bit of a performance as well is it not? I posit there exists a passionate correlation between an irascible poster and their enthusiasm to nail a tune.

Most of the characters who post on this board will be just great to meet in person! Particularly the curmudgeonly opinionated types.

I have my list of favorites….don’t you?

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Certainly not!

(Mutually symbiotic - isn’t that superfluously redundant?)

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No Kerri - its a repetitive tautology.

Don’t you know nothing?

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hallpass - how delightfully american!

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Stefan - is that an oxymoron?

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As a piper, I can’t express myself unless I blow up.

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haha showad…..no,
but a "foreign purist" is ;)

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Does anyone know how to start off "The Musicless Winderees"? If John would pipe down I think I might recall the first part.

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Hey showaddydadito, what is a repetitive tautology?

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isn’t "repetitive tautology" a tautology?

Or maybe that was the point!

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What is a repetitive tautology?

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-Ouch!-

I’ll have to take that one on the chin, showaddydadito.

Here’s me ignoring your wind-up like a good winderee:

-Grrrrrrrrrr…..-
:^p

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two twins - needless repetition

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Watch it conan, some of my best friends are twins…

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Quick - somebody do another wind-up so I can see if I can ignore it.

I find they’re kind of like car wrecks - you know you don’t want to be involved but you just can’t help having a sneaky peek.

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My mum’s a twin!
But I wouldn’t call her and her brother "two twins", I would just call them twins.

Are you starting?

:¬)

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Starting! I think that’s just continuing. Are you still on your pills, Conán? If so, I want to watch! ;)

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Not tonight, I’m afraid. Going to dinner later so I thought I’d save the madness for when the vino kicks in. Anyway, I think if I spout any more, Kerri’s going to give me a virtual kick in the Brazils.

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Forgive me if this reply is unnecessarily superfluous - I may have missed a few comments. While Jason G’s advice is no doubt sound, among the 8000-plus registered users of this site, there must be as many who would enjoy responding to attention-seeking wind-ups as people who would be inclined to post them.

Isn’t tortolgy the study of cakes? Tautology, presumably, is the science of tuning bodhrans. Or is that a contradictory oxymoron.

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Conan? You’re going to dinner with Kerri?

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Dave, I should be so lucky.

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What’s this? Somebody wants to feed me? Bring it! I’m starving!

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Next time I’m in your subcontinent I’ll pack a cheese sandwich. Hope you like dairylea spread!


Gotta vamoose

C

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MG, …tuning of bodhrans. Such a humorous witticism!

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For any of the above questions above directed at me, all I will say is that I do not have all the answers. That’s why we have Dr. Phil 🙂

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Stefan, now you impressed me. Where do you know "spoko" from? Have we met before?

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After reading all this I’m beginning to think that GRY is ok, much more of this and I’ll be listening to his songs.

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What, you mean by comparison, bodhranbliss? ;) Go listen. Why the hell not?

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Where’s Tanya when you need her?

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She did pop in briefly to wish everyone Merry Christmas, Jack, then disappeared again.

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For any wind-up wannabes out there who have trouble coming up with good "wind-up" topics for threads… I submit the following that you can simply choose from to start your own "wind-up" thread right away:

"Bodhran’s are the true lead instruments in sessions"

"Why do fiddlers always act so bossy?"

"ITM doesn’t sound right on piano accordions"

"Why does ITM always sound like blluegrass when Americans try to play it?"

"Some people can actually play ITM, the rest come to this website"

"We’re really just kidding ourselves when we think uilleann pipes sound good"

"Real Irish sessions aren’t really Irish"

"Planxty sucks the big one"

"I’m the best bodhran player in the world" (ok… I kinda stole this one)

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Wait a sec - you mean ITM is supposed to sound OK on a piano accordion? I’m lost.

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And all this has what to do with Music?, just goes to show that alot of ye out there would perfer to talk about anything but Irish music.
Ah well, I guess the original advice on this thread doesn’t work with me, so it must only be a theory.

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I think that if we were all sitting around a table at a session, a tune would have been started up somewhere around…well, Jason would probably have just started a tune up, actually. I doubt the whole thread would have got off the ground if we could have just played instead.

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I’m playing a tune at this very moment. Well, a song actually. Trying to get all the lyrics for "Arthur McBride" into my skull and figure out Paul Brady’s magnificent guitar solo.

So there.

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Well, you’re not going to do it while you’re typing, are you?! hehehe

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no, i mean, RIGHT NOW, after I’ve finished typing and you’ve begun reading. Here I go again.

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You go, girl. ;)

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I’m playing a tune whilst typing this.

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Nose flute?

I’m about to go start an embroidery file, so I guess you could say that I’ll be sewing while typing.

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I won’t ask what you’re typing with.

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Ew, now I have to spray the screen with rubbing alchohol or something.

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OK, Zina, I dare you to cross stitch your next post.

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Ha. I could probably inflict some scars with the needles and scissors, though.

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Wow, interesting (at least for me) to see where this thread has gone. Actually, where has it gone? Really didn’t intend for it to go anywhere. Anywho, my brain hurts. I’m going to bed.

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Be sure to sleep with a pillow over your head to avoid having som obnoxious hilarity enter your head and amuse itself by throwing about all sorts of steel pannery and jumping up and down on the mattress springs.

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Whoa. Sounds like you’ve got some interesting nights in your history, RP… 🙂

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Heh. My mind just likes odd metaphors and such. 😉

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thought youd like that janek!
no we havent - in the sessions i play in, there are often alot of tourists, some annoying, but some who are interested in the music which is great!
I try an collect little phrases when chatting to them in exchange for a bit of Gaelic!

so if you annoy me ill call you a kurwa or something!!

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For the love of my father, do not call me kurwa, it’s feminine. I’d teach you some of good masculine words, but not on the board - Jeremy would finally look it up in the dictionary and banish all this fine thread to hell.

Well, if you know ‘spoko’, respect to you, mate.

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My grandparents had a wind-up gramophone with scores of 78s from the 20’s, mostly opera as I remember. They, the gramophone and the 78s have long since gone, but the sound from that horn was impressive. If a wind-up gramophone came my way again I wouldn’t avoid it, I’d probably end up collecting 78s (Michael Coleman et al, of course!).
Trevor

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Q: Wanna buy some pornographic records?

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Er, okay!

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ssshhh…eh…me too….brown paer packaging…shsshhh….no reason.

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Sorry, thought that might happen (just after I posted) … it’s a Q&A…

A: No thanks, I haven’t got a pornograph.

I’ll get my coat.

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Oh. I knew that.

*ahem*

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My sister used to have a wind-up gramophone.

There is no volume control, and the only way to get the volume bearable for a small room is to physically mute the horn. For this purpose, a small cuddly toy dog was kept. Most of the time it sat looking into the horn in a veritabe "His Masters Voice" pose, but on loud things (e.g. Hamps Boogie Woogie) it was shoved head first into the horn.

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LOL - no, not really?

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It’s absolutely true Zina.

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Oh dear, I wish I had a picture! LOL

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There was a photograph. I’ll email my sister to see if she still has it.

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Yes, please. I’m not sure what I’ll do with it, Dave. Maybe just put it up as my computer wall paper to cheer me up when I look at it. ;)

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Golly. Look a’ that. That stuff’s all greek to me, but I bet I could figure it out with a little motivation…

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What’s this thread about again?

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Something about clocks.

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Think of the havoc that could be brought on in a session if you had some of this in a spray bottle.

[Source: NewScientist.com January 14, 2005]

The Pentagon considered developing a host of non-lethal chemical weapons that would disrupt discipline and morale among enemy troops, newly declassified documents reveal.

Most bizarre among the plans was one for the development of an "aphrodisiac" chemical weapon that would make enemy soldiers sexually irresistible to each other. Provoking widespread homosexual behaviour among troops would cause a "distasteful but completely non-lethal" blow to morale, the proposal says.

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Huh — some of the stories I’ve heard about certain sessions sound a bit like someone at the Pentagon’s been trying out the idea out in the field… 🙂

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Jack, the ancient Greeks took a more or less diametrically opposite viewpoint to that of the Pentagon. In particular, the Spartan army was one of the most feared in the ancient world. All it shows is that there is more than one way of instilling morale in the troops.
Trevor

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Wellp.

Now I’m here I may as well stay on and give ye’s an update. Avoid wind ups? geezafukenbrek.

Ignore tossers? I do my my best, but what if said tosser tries to become kingpin, in amongst a flock of good players? …..as has been our recent sad experience?

This is the brutal truth of how I, or we, dealt with it.

Yer man arrives. General groaning (at a sub-audible level) is perceived…ie the mood atmosphere kind of *freezes*.

He didn’t turn up last week so we have to deal with him this week.

He does a few sh!te whistle solos. We’ll let that go. So I do a couple of sets on the box….but then I didn’t say I’d stopped playing the box, and started up another set of reels, oops, I had an incursion with this collosal genius of a whistle player, how was I to know he was about to raise the dead and have the living weeping and wailing as of his enormous and endless talent?

So at the end of my hijack, yes he did suss that, I’m offered outside for a "chat"…as just about to accomodate yer man, Cath rightly and sensibly sits me down, argues the whole thing to him in French. He then rares up (in English) who did I think I was? Billy neatly informs him that I started this session, I tell him also that we can do without his type thank you,

and a sullen silence then descended upon us

until we realised that Kevin was workin’ away at some lovely Strathspeys..smiles replaced frowns. Music had won the day.

The Quare Fella hung around for an unnaturally long period of time before slinking off, maybe nearly an hour. I’m slightly saddened by the whole thing. I found myself dropping down and speaking the same nonverbal language as an psychopathic inadequate. Unlike some of my session peers, I do still think yer man has a personality disorder, veering close to psychopathy.

And that’s it. He may be back, he may not. His presence has blighted our session, and like the butterfly wings story, blighted my relationship with some members here. Maybe that was only waiting to happen, though.

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Thanks David. The sad truth is he’s quite solid and I’m skinny so maybe best it resulted in nothing more than a neanderthal arm waving display. Yeah but no but, what a kaffuffel, I ask you.

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Who was this guy, Rab? Not the Scottish hotelier who plays a bit of whistle? 🙂

Yeeaaasss

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Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t…..