Old Hag You Have Killed Me

By The Bothy Band

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Track 12 of "Old Hag"

RE: Old Hag You Have Killed Me, Bothy Band, track 12.

This track is called "Michael Gorman’s" but I could not find a tune by that name in the archive’s here.

What are the names of the tunes in that track?



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I found this on the web —- it seems to indicate that my disk is misnamed (with track 12 being Michael Gorman’s on my disk, whereas this say’s it should be track 6).


1 Music In The Glen - 3 reels:
Music In the Glen
Humours of Scarriff
Otter’s Holt/The Aughdarra

2 Fionnghuala:
Scots-Gaelic mouth-music song

3 Farewell to Erin - reel

4 Ballintore Fancy - 2 single jigs:
Kerry Jig (as slow reel)
Ballintore Fancy (as slow reel)

5 The Maid of Coolmore - Song

6 Michael Gorman’s - slip jig,slide,reel,reel
Michael Gorman’s/Bells of Tipperary
Cunla (similar to 1st 2 parts of Frieze Breeches)
Road to Lisdoonvarna
nameless reel

7 16 Come Next Sunday - Song

8 Old Hag You Have Killed Me - 3 jigs:
Old Hag You Have Killed Me
Dinny Delaney’s. Slide? aka The Hag at the Churn?
Morrisons’ Jig

9 Calum Sgaire

10 The Kid on the Mountain - slide,slide,slip jig
Rosie Finn’s Favourite
Over the Water to Charlie
The Kid On the Mountain

11 Tiochfaidh An Samhradh - Song

12 Laurel Tree - 3 reels:
Billy Bunker/Billy Brocker
(similar to Kiss the Bride in Bed/Kilfrush)
The Humours of Loughrea/Tommy Whelan’s
The Laurel Tree/Killavel Reel

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Re: Track 12 of

The nameless reel concluding the Michael Gorman’s set on this record is called Molly Ban. This set also appears on the Live at the BBC record, but Cooley’s replaces Molly Ban on this recording

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Molly Ban

Yes I learned it by ear in Em, but all of the versions I can find online are in other keys like Ador or Gmix. Wonder which version is more popular in sessions? Anyone?

Some Say It’s The Best One…..

…but I prefer "Out of the Wind". This one is classic "second album syndrome" where the band has released a brilliant first recording and then is expected to come up with the goods again pretty quickly while touring non-stop.

On that basis it’s still a great album and contains many of the "classic" sets and songs, subsequently immortalised as live versions as well. But to my ears it is very similar to the first one and Kevin Burke is demonstrably finding his feet here.

Recorded in Wales, this was the Bothy Band "getting it together in the country" with mixed success.

I Would Disagree

Do you really think that this album is a classic example of the second album syndrome, lysaghtm? I like it much better than the first album because it is so different, not so similar. On the first album most of the sets start out relatively tame and then just get louder and wilder, whereas here the sets have many more changes in dynamics. The songs also have very interesting arrangements, whether it’s the harmony of Fionnghuala or the blending of stringed instruments and harpsichord on Tiocfaidh an Samhradh.
And as for Kevin Burke still finding his feet here, I don’t hear any sub-par fiddling here; his renditions of Otter’s Holt and Billy Bunker’s are outstanding, with wonderful rhythm, as is his accompaniment to 16 Come Next Sunday. Should I even mention Farewell to Erin?
I just had to disagree with you about this album, which is one my favorites—up there with Out of the Wind into the Sun.

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Lucy Campbell, not Billy Brocker’s

I’m surprised no-one argues the statement that what is listed here as "Billy Brocker’s" (or Bunker’s) is in fact repeatedly named "Lucy Campbell" on numerous recordings since it has three or four parts. What I think to be Billy Brocker’s only has two parts.
And yes, those two parts are the first two of Lucy Campbell, at least to my ear…
This is confusing… to me at least 😉

I can’t make sense of your first sentence at all. BB’s has 2 parts, LC’s has 4. I have no problem in distinguishing between the 2, despite their similarities. Look at the respective "abcs", or sheet music and the differences are obvious.I’ve always thought "BB"’s to be more like the first of the 2 "Crowley’s" reels in D. Certainly, on this recording the reel played is "Billy Brocker’s". I don’t know of any recording where the 2 tune titles are mixed up.

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Old Hag You Have Killed Me

I bought this album because the rock reviewer in the Village Voice named it one of the best albums of the Seventies. I agree. These guys were the seminal high energy folk group and, I have read, were the first to use a lot of harmony in reels by using guitar. Don’t know about that, but I would not trade this one for any other. After forty years of listening, it is still the best.

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Track 10: "The Kerry" points to a totally irrelevant tune. I tried to edit it, but I can’t find any way to unpoint it. AFAIK the tune played on the album is not in the database here (yet).

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I also tried to update info for track 12 tune 2, which points to the 5 part jig Frieze Breeches.
That’s not what they play on the album, but instead the 2 part slide Frieze Breeches: https://thesession.org/tunes/9781
Is there no way to get this right?

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Henrik, I have edited track 10 to name the first tune "Rowsome’s". This now points to the correct tune.

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Here is an interesting recording of the Bothy Band from March 9, 1976. They played for John Peel’s radio show the following tracks:

1. Fionnghuala
2. Old Hag, You Have Killed Me/Dinny Delaney’s/Morrison’s
3. When I Was a Fair Maid
4. Music in the Glen/Humours of Scarriff/The Otter’s Holt

They recorded three of these tracks a few months later on "Old Hag You Have Killed Me" ("When I Was a Fair Maid" is a song Triona Ni Dhomhnaill sang on her solo album from the year before). But, what makes this recording interesting is that the fiddler is not Kevin Burke but, I think, Paddy Glackin. So, my guess is that the Bothy Band recorded this show during the period after Tommy Peoples left but the band was still looking around for a permanent replacement, and all the while trying to put together new sets for a second album. My understanding is that after Peoples left Paddy Glackin agreed to fill in for some gigs but made it clear he didn’t want to be constantly touring.


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What makes you think it was Paddy Glackin on fiddle on this recording ? Just curious.

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First, the fiddle style—though, to be honest, it isn’t too different from how Tommy Peoples sounded. But, second, I saw this webpage devoted to John Peel which credited Paddy Glackin on fiddle (though it did leave out Paddy Keenan on pipes).


Either way, it’s clearly not Kevin Burke on fiddle.

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