John Playford’s Popular Tunes

By the Broadside Band

  1. Greenwood
    Heart’s Ease
    Excuse Me
  2. Lady Catherine Ogle
    The Scotchman’s Dance
    Never Love Thee More
    The Miller’s Jig (slip jig)
  3. The Granadees
    Saraband By Mr. Simon Ives
  4. Lady Hatton’s Almaine
    Prins Robert Masco
    Prince Rupert’s
    Daphne
  5. Lilli Burlero
  6. Parthenia
    Corant “La Chobot”
    Jocobella
  7. Paul’s Steeple
  8. The Lady Nevils Delight
    The Whisk
    A New Rigaudon
  9. An Italian Rant
    Bouzer Castle
  10. Childgrove
    Mr. Lane’s Minuet
    Up With Aily
    Cheshire Rounds
    Hunt The Squirrel

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I really enjoy this album and getting exposure to many of Playford’s tunes. My only issue with it is the transition between tunes: there’s a bit of a pause in between many of the dances. For exapple, track 4 consists of 4 tunes, but because of the pause it might as well have just been split up into 4 tracks. I think the iTunes link might be for one of their other albums. The quality of the playing is great, though, so I would recommend.

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I’m perplexed. Whimbrel. What possible connection does this recording have with Irish traditional music?

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Hi Zorro. I know that this isn’t Irish and that this is primarily an Irish traditional site, but I like English and Welsh folk, and when I joined, I saw that others were putting up these recordings as well, so I figured I’d join in. Plus, I’ve read previous discussions where people have talked about Playford, so there are probably at least a few members on here who would enjoy this.

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The fact that you like something doesn’t mean anything. You won’t find a entry om Playford in ‘The Companion to Irish Music’ and Helen Brennan’s definitive work on the history of Irish dance dismisses his relevance to Ireland. I really don’t think this recording should be here.

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Fair enough, I take your point. But if this recording shouldn’t be here, that would mean that lots of recordings posted by myself and others shouldn’t be here either.

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Agreed.

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‘But if this recording shouldn’t be here, that would mean that lots of recordings posted by myself and others shouldn’t be here either.’

Exactly. I think it’s time that the Recordings section underwent a major culling operation.

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Plenty - see start of 3rd paragraph : "I play most of my CDs through my computer,….. ".

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Here’s what I really don’t understand: Shouldn’t this issue have been dealt with years ago, when this site was started? I understand why some people would want to keep things strictly to ITM, but there have been so many English, Northumbrian and Welsh tunes and recordings already that I figured I would add some too. In my (very short) time here, I’ve never seen a recording be removed.
Personally, I’ve enjoyed the variety of albums when looking for new music to listen to, but I also completely understand the idea that the focus of this site has been taken away. So, regarding non-Irish albums here, I think they should either all stay, or all go. Had I known that posting non-Irish recordings was discouraged, I wouldn’t have done so. There seem to have been quite a bit of a Welsh crowd here in the past, but most of them seem to have gone away now.

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"Plenty…" As much as ‘John Playford’s Popular Tunes’ then.

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No.

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I hadn’t intended to dignify Nigel’s post with a comment, but since he persists …

My thread was probably about as relevant as this one to Irish music - https://thesession.org/discussions/12398.

Motes and beams, Nigel.

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I can see that I have embarrassed or offended you, Zorro, and if I have I apologise. I felt like I had to stick up for Whimbrel, but I didn’t do it in an appropriate manner. And believe me, I am completely aware that much of my contribution to thesession.org have not had the relevance you seek, so I am the last person with a right to criticise others! I can be clumsy, hasty and self-righteous, so let me say sorry once again for my ill-considered response.

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I’m neither embarrassed or narked, Nigel. It’s all already water under the bridge, but thanks for your apology.

I have absolutely no issue with you or the strong element of Scottish tunes and recordings which make up The Session’s databases (though I do think that the former could have done without many of the bagpiping albums!). I thoroughly appreciate and support all the work you’ve done to keep Scottish musical traditions alive.

However, over the last year there’s been an influx of entries into the recordings database here (with related tune entries) which have either absolutely nothing or very little indeed to do with Irish music. As far as I’m concerned, the valuable resources of this site are dissipated on each occasion this happens.

Lastly, and for the record, Whimbrel has posted forty-seven albums here. Not a single one of them is of Irish music. I know he’s young and I don’t want to diminish his enthusiasm, but perhaps he needs to step back a little and maybe acquire more knowledge about the musical traditions of these islands and the extent to which these overlap (if at all).

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Actually, I rather LIKE Playford’s stuff. No point pretending there isn’t any crossover.

BTW, "Never Love Thee More" is the same as the Northumbrian tune "Lord Derwentwater’s". One of my favorite tunes, AAMOF, and usually well-received in Irish sessions that I’ve attended.

Cheers… let’s all just GET ALONG. -P-

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Where’s the "crossover" ?

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Apparently there are over 100 tunes from Playford in Fleischmann’s ‘Sources of Irish Traditional Music’ (1998), but as I neither have these books, nor am I an expert on Playford, I can’t comment on their accuracy.

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I’m afraid that the horse has probably "horse has bolted" as far as recordings, tune submissions, and discussions in general are concerned in relation to this site.

However, many of us take part in sessions where a variety of music is played. Also, many musicians who only play Irish music almost exclusively in a session situation are also interested in other traditions too and might even also play different material in other locations and circumstances.

As I suggested in another thread, there is the argument that the database is probably large enough to handle things and we don’t really need to bother with postings which we might not consider to be particularly relevant.
However, as long as we remain aware that the main focus of this site is intended to be that of Irish Music and don’t "insist" or expect that other forms of music should automatically be represented here, I don’t think there’s any harm in allowing a few abberations here and there.