Whitefriar’s Ale House

114-115 Gosford Street, Coventry, West Midlands, England

Added by Daver .

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Nature of the session

We have the dots available, each set has a number. Anyone is free to bring copies along and we’ll give it a number. We take it in turn to choose a set and set the pace. In this way we each get to play sets we like at the pace we like. We are at about set 220 and the sets include tunes from England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, France, Sweden, Israel, America ….
We are a very friendly lot and chat between tunes about anything and everything. Most of us play in other groupings as well as in this session.

Instruments: Fiddles, Guitars, Mandolines, Banjo, Concertena, Accordian, Flute, whistle, precussion.

Attendance: about 12 it varies

Time: Around 8:00pm to about 11:00pm

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Someone has merged our session on Monday nights with this Thursday night group.

These sessions are *NOT* the same, are *NOT* run by the same people and do *NOT* run to the same format!!!!

This is not a criticism of the people who run the Thursday night event (they certainly did not merge the records), but why has this been done?

Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

OK, I’ve sent to messages to the admin about this without a reply yet. I’m very conscious of course of the the fact that this website is a free resource, but we did find the listing to be useful.

Why has our Monday session listing been deleted, and our session merged with another?

https://thesession.org/sessions/196

I don’t want to be too awkward about this, but we really did appreciate the visitors that the listing used to get to our Monday night session at Whitefriars.

With all due respect to the Thursday night people (who obviously did not change this listing themselves), we are a completely different group of people and the format of the Thursday night group does not appeal to me. If any of them came to the Monday nights, then I suspect that they would not enjoy it as much either.

I suspect the reason that our listing has been deleted is that someone cannot cope with the fact that there is more than one session that meets in the same pub. Well, I’ve got news for them, there’s not just two sessions, but three!.

* Monday: Started off over three years ago, but the main people who attend have been playing together in various ways for over 20 years. It is meant to include English as well as Irish and Scottish music. It’s quite usual to find a set of Morris tunes followed immediately by a set of fast Irish reels. We meet downstairs as we find it to be more accessible to the other pub users (and closer to the bar).

* Thursday: I haven’t seen this group for years. The last and only time I joined in with them was when they used to meet at the Standard Triumph Social Club. They moved to Whitefriars about a year ago, I think. I suppose I’m not the best person to describe what they get up to since sitting around and playing from numbered sets in folders is not my scene. However, I’m sure it makes them happy. They meet upstairs.

* Friday: Fornightly on a Friday. A "proper" Irish session, lots of excellent players, fast reels and jigs abound, and rather more "serious" than Monday’s. They used to meet out the back of the "Four Provinces". When the 4P’s closed for refurbishment, they moved to the Whitefriars. They meet upstairs.

There is no crossover between the Monday and Thursday sessions, and minimal between Monday and Friday……. so, can we have our session back please?

Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

It’s still in the same pub, so what’s the problem? Any details about the sessions on different nights should be in the comments.

Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

I have to agree with Dow here. Can’t see the problem. Seems like it would create more of an administrative headache trying to split the one pub into several sessions, when Jeremy’s (and nearly everyone else’s) means of tagging a session is by the pub that it’s in. Sorry.

Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

Why does that mean that our session should have it’s description and comments deleted without any warning or discussion, and it’s night added to another totally unconnected event?

I have no idea who "Daver" is, and the description of his event does not in any way represent what we do.

Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

"I have to agree with Dow here. Can’t see the problem. Seems like it would create more of an administrative headache trying to split the one pub into several sessions, when Jeremy’s (and nearly everyone else’s) means of tagging a session is by the pub that it’s in. Sorry."

Well, the system seemed to be coping with it perfectly well until my listing got deleted. It now doesn’t, since our event has been administratively deleted.

Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

It hasn’t been deleted. We can still see that there’s a session there on a Monday night.

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I think you’re being a bit snobby about the Thursday people reading from their numbered sets in folders, especially since you openly admit to tolerating morris tunes in your session. Mind you, it’s all relative I suppose…

Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

Hey, I’m not being "snobby", it’s just that I don’t do that, it doesn’t float my boat or whatever.

I like listening to and learning tunes played by people with all their differing versions, styles and sundry surprises.

They like "playing the dots" to predictable sets laid out in their folders of tunes. I’ve just had a call from a friend who thought he’d look in on the Thursday event (the Thursday before last). He’s one of the Monday night stalwarts and he said he wouldn’t be bothering again.

Horses for courses, eh? They seem to get around ten people attending, so it makes them happy,

Oh, and we don’t just "tolerate" Morris tunes, we actively encourage them πŸ˜›

Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

I reckon what you should do is write in the comments something like "the only decent session here is on a Friday night" and have done with it. And less of the snobbiness.

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It’s interesting that whilst I was reading your description of what you’d want from the (I should think sadly) defunct "Kelly’s Bar" session, how well you’d fit in with us.

https://thesession.org/sessions/1311

I love the way that we often get the Monday nights going, and every week is a little (sometimes a lot) different. Good music played by friends, but welcoming to visitors. Musicians who want to get it right, but are not precious (hey, we have fun!). The occasional song, but not too many. Some fast stuff, but well balanced with slower tunes and a bit of "swing" preferred rather than speed. Participation and swapping of tunes and skills, rather than showboating. Beginners not just tolerated, but actively encouraged.

I’m sure that we’ll be restarting the "slow session" at some point, and making sure that many of the experienced players are there as well.

We deliberately sit in the more public area of the downstairs of the pub because we don’t want to be hidden away, and as I say, I love it.

Hello Monday.
Any details?

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Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

Ecadre, on reflection, you are raising an interesting point here. ie, What defines a particular session, the pub (or venue) or the musicians?
Since traditionally it is the venue, the very place where the session kicks off, which, maybe not so much *defines* the session, but contains it as it were, I suppose Jeremy has rightly followed that convention.
Mostly I would too. I have had experience of this multi-session pub phenomenon, and I can give you three examples which spring to mind straight away. The Eel’s Foot in Eastbridge Suffolk has a regular Thursday night "session" which I posted here, but also does a once a month Sunday session, which is a much more formal and proper session, and quite English. Our own Blythe does a regular Thursday one, yet for a while we had occasional Sunday ones with different and much higher standard players (and me hanging on, bumping along at the back) and with a much stronger Cork/Kerry focus to it. Then there’s the new session pub in Brixton, Hootananay’s, which has different session personnel each of the nights Monday to Thursday.
And also you can get the converse of this: a certain group of sessioneers who alternate their venues between a number of pubs and who keep in touch by phone and email letting one another know where the next session is going to take place. The advantage of this is yer goatwhackers, egg & spoon merchants and 3-chord wonders can’t keep up with it.
So where does that fit in?
I suppose it’s up to you in the end how you want to define it but if I were you, I wouldn’t go expecting others to adhere to how I’d assign my sessions, particularly on someone else’s website.
πŸ™‚
But look on the bright side now - you’ve gone and got your session some extra publicity now through this thread!
Best wishes,
Danny

Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

ecadre ~ it may also have to do with who made the original submission? Seems a shame though if your history of comments went missing. That is part of what I enjoy reading, behind the scenes in a manner of speaking… Maybe if you included in the heading for any comments what the particular session is that is being commented on?

If it is the same pub, I can’t see a problem in different nights being listed, since the headings for sessions here are geographic. As others have said, anything about a particular night can be added in the comments, by organizers, by visitors regular or one off…

I’m just glad it wasn’t as bad as your heading suggested, that you’d been completely exorcized… Good to hear your still up and operating, and may you do so for a long time… Where sessions are concerned it is mostly a countdown… So many things can change, like the pub management… 😏

Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

…After listing my three multi-session pubs, I forgot to give you my conclusion - that is, although each *session* in any of these multi ones is different, it still has the same governor, much the same clientele, the same room(s), the same (types of ) beer…etc., etc. So the same *character* to the different sessions, which is imbued by the venue. Hence I think it’s fair enough to classify them as the same by virtue of the venue. Shame about losing your comments though. Could they picked up again from that site which records every website’s archives, though?

Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

That archiving website ("Wayback Machine") that KML referred to is,
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
But be aware that some websites can block Wayback from trawling and archiving them.

Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

Sessions are submitted to www.thesession.org by venue (location).
The nights are listed under the "Details" tab.
Descriptions of alternate sessions are included under the "Comments" tab.
You have written a description above of the Monday session in a soon to be forgotten "Discussion".
To aid players searching for a session it is not asking too much that it be added to the "Sessions" ~ "Comments"
Your current "comment" is … shall we say ~ awkward?
https://thesession.org/sessions/196/comments#comment316912

It would be reasonable to email Daver to encourage him to clarify that his description applies to the Thursday session.

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Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

If you’re going to be Sent To Coventry, the least of your problems will be sorting out which session to go to.

Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

Can I just ask a quick question? Is there ANYONE left on thesession.org who understands irony?

Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

Isn’t it something to do with using a hot flat metal object to take creases out of your clothes?

Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

Dow gets it…

the only Irish session is every 2nd Friday, upstairs, from about 9pm

(I’m not getting into the decent/not decent thing…)

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Re: Can we have our Coventry session listing back again?

‘Irony’, is that what that was? Deep! πŸ˜€

Better head over to the Monday night session. I predict it is "Standing Room Only" tonight!
So the admin does have a sense of humor.

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"Your current "comment" is … shall we say ~ awkward?
https://thesession.org/sessions/196/comments#comment316912"

Yes, it is, and I’d like to be able to delete it. I was a little precipitate with that comment and decided to contact Jeremy instead. That is before bringing it up on the site again.

"After listing my three multi-session pubs, I forgot to give you my conclusion - that is, although each *session* in any of these multi ones is different, it still has the same governor, much the same clientele, the same room(s), the same (types of ) beer…etc., etc. So the same *character* to the different sessions, which is imbued by the venue. Hence I think it’s fair enough to classify them as the same by virtue of the venue."

Actually, in this case, that conclusion is wrong, though I could easily understand how it may apply elsewhere. Each of these sessions has it’s own distinct history and very distinct character. Ending up at the same venue at the moment has been chance. That is the reason that there is virtually no crossover between the different events.

As far as the venue goes, "we wos there first" and my listing at Whitefriars has been on thesession.org for about 2 1/2 years. The Thursday night event has moved several times over the last few years, ending up upstairs at Whitefriars. Their listing was changed to show Whitefriars as their new venue, what happens to us now when they change again?

"It would be reasonable to email Daver to encourage him to clarify that his description applies to the Thursday session."

Yep, I’ve done that. No response as of yet.

"ecadre ~ it may also have to do with who made the original submission? "

As I said, I was first with the listing, and we were first at the venue paving the way for everybody else πŸ™‚

"Better head over to the Monday night session. I predict it is "Standing Room Only" tonight!"

It was and often is πŸ™‚

"And also you can get the converse of this: a certain group of sessioneers who alternate their venues between a number of pubs and who keep in touch by phone and email letting one another know where the next session is going to take place. The advantage of this is yer goatwhackers, egg & spoon merchants and 3-chord wonders can’t keep up with it. "

An interesting observation. I certainly did quite a bit of this session hopping when I lived for a while in London. Public transport (especially the night buses!) also helped a lot with this. There are a lot of pubs and sessions within striking distance from Brixton where I was living.

It’s a bit different up here in Coventry though.

Are any of the three sessions still up and running?

Re: Are any of the three sessions still up and running?

Yes, but we have moved the Monday night session down the road to the Beer Engine.

I don’t have any way of changing this listing though, see above for the story behind that.

See our website for more details:

http://www.covtrad.org.uk

The fortnightly Friday night Irish session is still on at Whitefriars. There was one on June 27th so you can work out the dates. I don’t usually go to the Friday session so I don’t know what dates they may miss or what their plans are.

I have no idea whether the Thursday night event still happens, you’ll have to use the contacts listed at the top of this page.

Friday night session at Whitefriar’s still takes place every two weeks - next one is tonight 11th July - any confusion over dates etc then mail me

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Update

Updated the shedule to reflect that we only meet on Thursdays. All I can say in answer to some of the above slightly derogatory comments is that we enjoy ourselves.

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Whitefriars Thursday session

Is this still regular & reliable as I may be visiting in december?

Fridays

The Friday Irish session no longer happens here. A lot of the same people can now be found every fourth Friday of the month at the Malt Shovel, Bubbenhall.

Multiple sessions … single venue

What a mess this thread is. By the time I’ve got to the end I’m confused as to whether ANY session happens here now … just because all comments about the different sessions are thrown together in a jumbled mess by the fact they have at some time been at the same venue.
Another case of the mayhem caused by the fact that different sessions can’t be listed on a site that’s supposed to be about SESSIONS.
The same chaos occurs at the Cumberland Arms, Byker listing (where there are at least four very different sessions meeting) and probably at other venues also.
I cant understand how a website designer, who must have more capacity for logic and order in his little finger than I posses in total, can be satisfied with the havoc this causes as people try to make comment and discussion about three or four different sessions and the Site shuffles them together like suits in a pack of cards.
Jeremy has made a fantastic job of building this site with by far the greatest amount being top class. I’m nearly resigned to this aspect being the "cupboard under the stairs" where stuff is thrown in unseeing randomness.

Just to clarify: Thursdays is the only session currently at Whitefriars (as of 2013)

The session listed at the top of this post is still going strong at Whitefriars. The Monday "CovTrad" session is enjoying the hospitality of the Broomfield Tavern and the several key players from the Friday Irish session play on the 4th Friday of the month in the Malt Shovel in the nearby village of Bubbenhall.

There are also open-mics and usually beer festivals on bank holidays at Whitefriars.

Re: Whitefriar’s Ale House

Hi,

Is this session still happening at Whitefriars Ale House on Thursdays?

When I get our session website up and going again it would be nice to include a link πŸ™‚

Re: Whitefriar’s Ale House

The Whitefriars Olde Ale House closed a while ago.