The Humours Of Kiltyclogher jig

This is one of my favorite jigs. I loved the melancholic feeling of the tune played slowly, but recently I found it also sounds nice when played cheerfully, just in Danu’s recording.

I usually move on to Eddie Kelly’s and finish the set with Ingonish. John Williams plays Mrs. O’Sullivan’s after this tune in “Steam.”

This feels more like a slide than a jig to me.

What does everyone else think: slide or jig?

Perhaps a single jig rather than a slide. I’ve certainly heard it played more in jig style - and in sets together with other jigs. It’s one of my favourites. It sounds great on the pipes, with a D cran replacing the DED in bar 3 of the A-part - and crans fitted in in other places, as only a piper best knows how. It’s one of those tunes that has its own climate - it’s full of ‘weather’. Listen to that autumn in the B-part - smell the rotting leaves.

We play it as a jig, with Julia Clifford’s to follow, but it does have a bit of a slidey feel to it. We open our set with it and everyone seems to like it..it’s a cracking tune, jig or slide, and David is right about the crans…our piper gets just enough in to be on the right side of tasteful.

Source: “Reprise” by Paddy Glackin And Micheal O Domhnaill
Transcription: gmp

I did a little fishing around and found that this tune was already posted back in 2002 under the title “The Humours of Kilclogher”. I’ll add that tune name to this tune as well.

Jason

Oh, the other listing of this tune is in Adorian, but it seems to be the same tune.

A tale of two tunes………….

John Kelly, the great fiddle and concertina player from Co.Clare, and later, Dublin, was one of the musicians included in a compilation LP of Clare fiddlers recorded by Comhaltas Ceoltoiri Eireann, I think sometime in the 1960s. The LP was titled “Ceol an Clair Vol 1”, and one of his selections was the single-jig “The Humours Of Kilclogher” followed by the 9/8 slip jig “Elizabeth Kelly’s Delight” — two distinctly separate tunes and with different time-signatures.
The written staff notation for both of these tunes was included at the end of Breandan Breathnach’s book “Folk Music And Dances of Ireland”, printed in 1971. Both tunes were attributed to John Kelly. Both tunes are also included - on opposite pages — in David Lyth’s book “Bowing Styles In Irish Fiddle Playing Vol.2”, again with the source being John Kelly.
The tune you have posted here, Gian Marco — [ and it seems has been posted already, according to the above ], - is “The Humours Of Kilclogher” and not the 9/8 “Elizabeth Kelly’s”, which was posted by Will Harmon as “Elizabeth Kelly’s Delight” in September 2002 in the “Slip jigs” section. There is quite a bit of discussion about that tune under “comments” there, and it is listed as being in several recordings. You should check it out.
The tune you have posted above has been recorded as “The Humours Of Kilclogher” by “Fisherstreet”, Oisin MacDiarmada, and also I believe, [ but haven’t been able to check], Liam O’Flynn and “Danu”.
“Elizabeth Kelly’s Delight/Favourite/Fancy” - the slip-jig - has to my knowledge been recorded by “Deiseal”, and Scottish piper Hamish Moore. Martin Hayes has recorded it as “Catherine Kelly’s”, and Tony McManus as “Catherine Kelley’s”. Will’s posting lists 10 recordings of it.
The confusion about the titles possibly arises because of the close proximity of the 2 tunes in John Kelly’s recording and also in the 2 books I mentioned. At some stage the 2 tune names have simply gotten mixed up.
I see that Glackin & O’Dhomhnaill have 2 “Elizabeth Kelly’s” together. Without having heard the recording, I’ll bet that they are the same 2 tunes as John Kelly played — “Kilclogher” followed by “E.Kelly”. Could you possibly check that, please, although I could be wrong.
If you want more confusion, “Cran” have recorded both jigs, on separate recordings, and called the 9/8 “Liz Kelly’s Delight”, and the single jig “Liz Kelly’s Single Jig”.
Also Breandan Breathnach contradicts himself by calling the single jig “Eilis Ni Cheallaigh” in his first collection of tunes after giving it the other name in his “Folk Music And Dances “ book.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Irish traditional music!!

Sorry about the &#8220ing numbers .

not “Elizabeth Kelly’s” but “The Humours of Kilclogher”
not in the Key signature: C major
but in the Key signature: A ~ Dorian or minor
~ depending on what you do with any Fs you might like to include…
Submitted on April 25th 2004 by gian marco.
https://thesession.org/tunes/2893

Key signature: A Dorian
Submitted on October 15th 2002 by slainte.
https://thesession.org/tunes/1043

The tune given here is, as Kenny went zoo to tell us, not “Elizabeth Kelly’s” but “The Humours of Kilclogher”. Also, it is not in the key signature of C major but is in A ~ Dorian or minor depending on what you do with any Fs you might like to include…

Kilclogher is in Co.Clare and
Kiltyclogher is in Co.Leitrim. So I think the tune is probably correctly named after one of these places - hardly both.

According to the sleeve notes of Danu’s first recording, they learned it off Clare-based band Fisherstreet. Chicago man John Williams plays lots of Clare tunes, so it should probably be Kilclogher.

Slainte you mean Danu’s second alubm “Think before you think?”

BTW, Williams plays it in Cmix.

I heard that’s *officially* their first album, but maybe I’m wrong. Who cares?

They sell it at their concerts, so that may indicate something. Who cares any way, there should be no confusion over which album it is on.

Who cares if I’m right or wrong? 🙂

X: 1
T: The Humours Of Kilclogher
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: single jig
K: Ador
|:[A D]GE G2E|c2E EGE|DED {E}[A2 D2]E|GED D2E|
AGE G2E|c2E DEG|[A3 D3] B[A D]G|[1 [A3 D3] [A3 D3]:|[2 [A3 D3] [A2 D2]|
|:B|{cd}c2B c2d|e[A D][A D] [A2 D2]c|B[B G][B G] [B G]AB|dB[B G] [B G]AB|
[c2 G2][B G] [c2 E2]d| e[A D][A D] [A2 D2]c|BAG [G D]A[B G]|[1[A3 D3] [A2 D2]:|[2 [A3 D3] [A3 D3]|
Kelly plays this before Elizabeth Kelly’s Delight [Slip Jig] on Ceol an Cláir

Of Kilclogher? Thanks

-E

Elizabeth Kelly was a concertina player from West Clare so it’s possible that John Kelly learned it / associated it with her and her playing; a common occurence in Trad when musicians don’t know the official title.

I would also think this is a C mix tune….my tuppence worth!

No, it’s not.

Elizabeth was (old) John Kelly’s mother.

John Kelly’s jig.

Dale Russ at a house concert:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfjMsl0tdSA

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X:4 as per John Kelly.

One of the first tunes I’ve ever learned on the pipes. Can be played fairly sparsley or made quite complex. Also Liam O’Flynn plays a killer version of this on this documentary about him. Starts about 10:20 or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PfDfC6ML_o

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“It’s one of those tunes that has its own climate - it’s full of ‘weather’. Listen to that autumn in the B-part - smell the rotting leaves”

That’d be the humus of Kiltyclogher

From the playing of Stephen Doherty and Seana Davey.

From the playing of Liam O’Flynn.

Some variations from the playing of Liam O’Flynn.