I’m posting this tune in response to a request made on June 26th 2010 by session member "leftynow"
Please note that it is NOT the same tune as "Gilderoy" AKA "The Beggarman", neither is it the same tune as "Gilderoy" AKA "The Indian Ate the Woodchuck".
I’ve transcribed it "dotted", but it is also played without any swing.
I was asked to sing "Gilderoy" for a wedding a few years back. Think it was the same tune - certainly had that harmonic minor feel to it. Like it as a hornpipe (but then I like hornpipes - know they’re not everybody’s cup of tea).
I understand woodchuck to be pretty tasty - not kidding here and makes nice shoestrings, too.
It’s the same tune alright. Just different!
I just stumbled on this tune while picking my way through a 1933 publication called The Robbins Collection of 200 Jigs, Reels and Country Dances for Piano, Violin, Flute, or Mandolin. The tune is called Guilderoy Reel in this publication, but it is definitely this tune and not the Little Beggarman tune. The main difference, other than being labelled a reel, is that it appears to be in A harmonic minor or maybe A melodic minor instead of A natural minor. I leave that to the musicologists.
I’ll try to create an ABC and post my first ever setting here, thus entering the hallowed annals of history.
I think I actually posted a setting. Look out, folks. I may become a bore.
I notated this as a reel as that is the way it is in my source. The accidentals are slightly different from setting 1 and the triplet disappeared. But other than all that, it is definitely the same tune.
I like the tune. I think I’ll work on it.
This was transcribed to abc by Nigel Gatherer. It is from Surenne’s " Songs of Scotland". I’m not sure what the finishing on a B is about! It sounds unresolved.
Is it me, or is ‘Gilderoy’ (almost) a variant of the tune to ‘Star of the County Down’? Can they, by any chance, be related?
"A form of the tune appears as Gilderoy in the early 18th century, but may perhaps be earlier."
"The Star Of The County Down
Also known as /…/ Gilderoy"
A close variant published as Baledwyr Nefyn in Nicholas Bennett’s Alawon fy Ngwald in 1896. In G minor
The third setting (X:3) is how we (i.e., we in our local session) play this except for ending the parts on A (rather than the B of the transcription).
Harmonised roughly thus:
|:Am|C G|Am F C|G|Am|C Am|Dm E7|Am:|
|:C|Dm E7|Am F C|G|Am|C Am|Dm E7|Am:|
At last I’ve found it! This is a tune played by two fiddlers in a barn dance scene in the 1979 film ‘Tess’ by Roman Polanski. I’ve been trying to find a name for this tune for years and have trawled through the film credits and written emails to various ‘experts’ all to no avail. I’ve only just discovered the remarkable tunepal.org, played it into the mic. and it found it straight away!
So the only question that remains is whether or not Polanski had any particular historical reason for featuring this tune in a film set in 19th century Wessex? I don’t think it seems to be in any of the Thomas Hardy collections at any rate. Does anyone have any idea of its origins?
I’ll post an exact transcription of this as played in the film…
I think that JP Frahley’s tune "The Red Headed Irishman" is
the same tune discussed here (or at least in the same family).
I have always loved this version of the tune.
Here is an obit for JP: https://bluegrasstoday.com/jp-fraley-passes/
If you have never heard his music, it is well worth checking out.
Of all the old-time traditions in America, I have always thought that
Kentucky fiddle music was closer to Irish
(than say Virgina, West Virgina, or N Carolina fiddle music).
This is a direct transcription as played in the 1978 film Tess. It’s virtually identical to the second version on this page, but with a couple of minor differences.