Jackson’s Mare reel

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Three settings

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X: 1
T: Jackson's Mare
R: reel
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
K: Fdor
|: d2 A=B B2 AG | _G=GAc A2 =B c | d2 A=B B2 AG | _BAdc =B=G G2 |
dgg_g =g2 a^f | _g=g a_g =g3 a | =bga_g =g2 ag | _gdcA AG G2 :|
|: c2 ac cfaf | efga befa | befa c2 fa | (3gab eg gf f2|
c=BcA FGAF | GABc dD D2 | c=BcA FG A2 | bgge gf f2 :|
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X: 2
T: Jackson's Mare
R: reel
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
K: Fdor
d2 AB B2 AG | ^FG Ac A2 Bc | d2 AB B2 AG | ^FA dc BG G2 |
dg g^f g2 e^f| ^fg a^f g2 ab| ga ^fg2a g^f| dc AA ^ ^F2 d- |
dA BB2A G^F | GA cA2B cd- | dA BB2A G^F | Ad cB G G2 d |
gg ^fg2e ^f^f| ga ^fg2a bg | a^f g2 ag ^fd | cA A^F ^F2 c2 |
Ac c=f af ef | ga ^ae f=a ^ae | f=a c2 fa (3ga^a| eg gf f2 cB |
c=A FG AF GA | ^Ac dD D2 cB | c=A FG A2 ^ag | ge ge f2 c2 |
=Ac cf af ef | ga ^ae f=a ^ae| f=a c2 fa (3ga^a | eg gf f2 cB |
c=A FG AF GA | ^Ac dD D2 cB | c=A FG A2 ^ag | ge ge f2|]
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X: 3
T: Jackson's Mare
R: reel
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
K: Gmaj
d2 AB B2 AG | FG Ac A2 Bc | d2 AB B2 AG | FA dc BG G2 |
dg gf g2 ef| fg af g2 ab| ga fg2a gf| dc AA F2 d- |
dA BB2A GF | GA cA2B cd- | dA BB2A GF | Ad cB G G2 d |
gg fg2e ff| ga fg2a bg | af g2 ag fd | cA AF F2 c2 ||
Ac c=f af ef | ga _be fa be | fa c2 fa (3ga_b| eg gf f2 cB |
cA FG AF GA | _Bc dD D2 c=B | cA FG A2 _bg | ge ge f2 c2 |
Ac cf af ef | ga _be fa _be| fa c2 fa (3ga_b | eg gf f2 cB |
cA FG AF GA | _Bc dD D2 c=B | cA FG A2 _bg | ge ge f2|]
# Added by Nico .

Nineteen comments

Jackson’s Mare

This is definitely a piper’s tune & is another one of those accredited to Walker (Piper) Jackson (1716-1798) I am not too certain as to the source of this notation as it has been in my family
for a very long time.

Fmaj? Piper’s tune? I think not!

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Not only that, but the abcs are a complete mess. Gb for F#? Really?

I think you should redo this asap!

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Fdorian looks even worse.

Seriously, you’ve got accidentals that don’t make sense. I’m really disappointed because a tune touted as "definitely a piper’s tune" is always welcome… this is far from it.

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Jackson’s Mare

You’ll have to forgive me if you think the setting is wrong, as I have tried to copy it from a very old hand written manuscript which has been in our family for over 2½ centuries. I t is well worn tattered and torn and very faded. By the way as far as I know it has never been published.
As I have never been able to read music, as I used to play by ear, for I was always taught that music sheets were only there as a rough guide and it was up to the musician to interpret it to his or her own satisfaction.
So I haven’t much clue when comes to keys, but when I see "b" my computer tells me it is in the key of "Fmajor" , when it comes to the misplacement of flats, I could be mistaking these with accidentals, however I’m not to know.
You will have to forgive me as I have only managed to teach meself with the computer these last three years after my wife’s death (God rest her), and I have only learnt to use abc notation this last week.
I am meself seventy years old, and house bound, and I thought I would try and share my family’s manuscripts with musicians out there. But, if you think I am wasting your time and mine, then I’ll stop right now!
My son died ten years ago (God rest him also), and it was he that transcribed many reel to reel recordings of musicians throughout Ireland, Wales, Scotland, England and Brittany. It is some of the rare tunes that I have also tried to share with you all. For I think when I pass away these manuscripts will end up in the trash can, and the tunes will be lost forever.

Many sympathies to you Cuanshore for your losses. Don’t give up on the abc’s, it would be great if you could preserve these old tunes. To check your abc’s before posting you can test it here http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html
Good luck.

My apologies for posting harshly… I was assuming things that are not true. Good luck with the learning!

I would definitely recommend scanning the original manuscripts if you can figure out how, but at least send them to someone (Like say NPU) that would be able to preserve them and perhaps upload them online.

On the manuscript, at the beginning of the staff you should see a thing that looks kind of like a "&" and next to that you should see either # of little b type symbols on particular lines. Or nothing at all! At any rate, please do look and let us know what you see and we can help you pick a more appropriate key. My guess is that it should be "Gmaj", but without the manuscript it’s only a guess!!

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I should add, I don’t think you are wasting your time. You should spend a bit more time learning though, I think, because as it stands now I don’t think the ABCs (for this tune) can be used. The other tunes you have posted are indeed better.

I do really appreciate hearing the stories about Sonny McElligott, though, so please do continue. Although, I notice your most recent tune is also in a very strange key for pipes. It’s possible McElligott played a C set of pipes and the transcriber wrote down "absolute" pitches rather than the more usual practice of treating the instrument as a D instrument and writing accordingly.

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Sorry as well for sounding harsh. I appreciate you preserving these tunes. It’s just that Fmaj is an impossible (nearly) key for a D set of uilleann pipes. 🙂

One other thing to do, if you can create scanned or paper copies of the manuscripts, is contact the Traditional Music Archive in Dublin. That said, more people use this website to look for tunes rather than dig through the archives of the TMA, so if they are here they are more likely to venture out into the world. But the TMA is certainly great for preserving hard copies and recordings.

Jackson’s Mare

Thanks very much for all your replies, it has given me a few thoughts to continue. However the more I look at the manuscript before the more confusing it gets. If anyone can try to get the notation into the correct key it would be greatly appreciated.
I have played the tune on "AbcNavigator 2.0" it sounds a good a tune but impossible to play on many instruments. I am not sure what to do next, as I am no good at transcribing or altering tunes to their natural pitch or keys.

Hi again,

Could you please try to describe what you are seeing on the manuscript, particularly right at the very beginning, where the key signature should be, and presumably right after the & type sign, if there is one?

After that beginning, also try to describe if any notes have a b or # before them, and which notes.

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After using ABCexplorer and running this tune on it, the programme suggests the Key of "C Lydian" and comes up with this abc notation:

d2 AB B2 AG | ^FG Ac A2 Bc | d2 AB B2 AG | ^FA dc BG G2 |
dg g^f g2 e^f| ^fg a^f g2 ab| ga ^fg2a g^f| dc AA ^ ^F2 d- |
dA BB2A G^F | GA cA2B cd- | dA BB2A G^F | Ad cB G G2 d |
gg ^fg2e ^f^f| ga ^fg2a bg | a^f g2 ag ^fd | cA A^F ^F2 c2 |
Ac c=f af ef | ga ^ae f=a ^ae | f=a c2 fa (3ga^a| eg gf f2 cB |
c=A FG AF GA | ^Ac dD D2 cB | c=A FG A2 ^ag | ge ge f2 c2 |
=Ac cf af ef | ga ^ae f=a ^ae| f=a c2 fa (3ga^a | eg gf f2 cB |
c=A FG AF GA | ^Ac dD D2 cB | c=A FG A2 ^ag | ge ge f2|]

I’m more interested in what your manuscript shows! C Lydian is almost definitely incorrect.

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I’ve also cleaned up your latest ABCs and put it in http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html to look at it. The key seems to be G for the A part and Fish for the B part, but those Bb are weird and not at all pipe friendly. Are you sure about those? (You had them as A# but that is not the usual way they’d be notated for irish music)

I strongly recommend you compare your tune using the tune-o-tron to the manuscript, and then change as needed. I would really love the answer to my questions above though!

X: 1
T: Jackson’s Mare
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
R: reel
K: G
d2 AB B2 AG | FG Ac A2 Bc | d2 AB B2 AG | FA dc BG G2 |
dg gf g2 ef| fg af g2 ab| ga fg2a gf| dc AA F2 d- |
dA BB2A GF | GA cA2B cd- | dA BB2A GF | Ad cB G G2 d |
gg fg2e ff| ga fg2a bg | af g2 ag fd | cA AF F2 c2 ||
Ac c=f af ef | ga _be fa be | fa c2 fa (3ga_b| eg gf f2 cB |
cA FG AF GA | _Bc dD D2 c=B | cA FG A2 _bg | ge ge f2 c2 |
Ac cf af ef | ga _be fa _be| fa c2 fa (3ga_b | eg gf f2 cB |
cA FG AF GA | _Bc dD D2 c=B | cA FG A2 _bg | ge ge f2|]

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Thanks again for your replies, when I look at the manuscript Nico,
there’s an ink smudge mark which I cannot decipher, and I am not sure who transcribed the manuscript as the signature is quite unintelligible though the date gives September 17, 1759 and is printed at the bottom of sheet.
As I have stated before the score sheet is badly faded in parts and torn in many places, and stuck together by different types of adhesive tapes ect. upon the back.
I am very grateful for all the help and suggestions, you will realize that I know nothing about pipers although they have been very prominent in my family for generations.
The manuscript itself is in a very delicate and fragile condition that I dare not, do too much with it. Thanks again for all your queries.

You might try taking pictures, if you have a digital camera. Not ideal, but better than nothing!

That sounds like it should be in an archive safely stored, though! You should consider contacting NPU: www.pipers.ie or the ITMA www.itma.ie

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There is a small piece of paper that I think should have been attached to one or more of these manuscripts, that states: That notes were not quite "b", but half way between ‘Gb’ and ‘Gnatural’.
Pipers can manage this half-way or enharmonic note, equally as well as fiddlers. From what I have gathered Walker (Piper) was a well respected Fiddler besides being a Piper. I hope this makes some sense as to the tune I have copied here.