Victoria Valse waltz

"Köhler’s Violin Repository of Dance Music: Comprising Reels, Strathspeys, Honpipes, Country Dances, Quadrilles, Waltzes, &c., Books I, II & III"

Compiler: anonymous
Edinburgh: Ernest Köhler & Son, First Publication, in serial, as a periodical - 1881-1885

Page 42: "Victoria Valse" - arranged by W.B. Laybourn


Discussion: Köhler’s Violin Repository of Dance Music
# Posted on June 26th 2011 by fynnjamin
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Luke & Seamie perform Con Cassidy’s "The Speaking Waltz" at the Bath Folk Festival 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg6SMjadH2w

play video

Submitted on January 4th 2002 by jmmana.
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# Posted on June 23rd 2012 by ceolachan
https://thesession.org/discussions/30109

This tune was part of the reason for the start of this discussion, and in this tune specifically the intended double-stops in the 3rd / C-part, here:

u(3ABc |\
(DF D.F DF)&d6 | (EA E.A EA) &c6 | (DG D.G DG) & B6 | (DF D.F DF)&A6 |
(DF D.F DF) &d6 | (EA E.A EA) & c6 | B3 (A GE) | D4 ||

No, those bars aren’t supposed to be 6/4, they are 3/4, the long note ‘6’ played simultaneously with the six notes, for example d6 with DF D.F DF, etc…

I’ve transcriptions made from several musicians that will be checked and cleaned up and added later. I’ll also try to see if one of our members, Nigel Gatherer, will take another look as a transcription he has made with the hopes he’ll add that here, and I’ll leave it to him to tell the story behind the last given title in this heading, "The Kelso Hiring Fair". I’ve also noticed that a recording of that doesn’t seem to be in the ‘Recordings’ database yet, so I’ll have to see if that too can be added, not sure if I have that lovely recording, though I suspect I’ve he LP… But Nigel or one of our other members will surely have it and be willing to add it…

More to follow, and though a few might regret it ~ "I’ll be back!" 8-)
.

I first came across this tune from a rather good LP issued by Pete Shepheard’s Springthyme label, ‘Tom Hughes, Border Fiddler’ (1981). Tom Hughes (1908-1986) was from Jedburgh in the Scottish Borders, and his influence is heard today in younger fiddlers such as Lori Watson and Jimmy Nagle. A farm ploughman by trade, he came from a family strong in fiddle, with uncles, father and grandfather all players.

Many of Hughes’s tunes were learnt from family members and were known by him as, for example, "Henry Hughes’s" or "Tam’s Old Love Song"; other tunes without names he named himself after local locations (e.g. "Banks of Kale Water"). It’s possible that this tune, lacking a name, was given "Kelso Hiring Fair" in lieu of a proper title.

I started to notate the tune one afternoon many years ago and after I while I either gave up or was distracted; in my notebook after four parts I have written "There’s more!"

I’ll have another go tonight and see if I can’t finish Tam Hughes’s version of this relic of a tune. In the meantime, if Hughes’s album isn’t here, I’ll add it forthwith.

Heere is my revised transcription of Tam Hughes’s recording of "The Kelso Hiring Fair", a.k.a. "Victoria Waltz". In the fifth part, the bars with the quaver rests are actually played pizzicato.

X:960
T:Kelso Hiring Fair
T:Victoria Waltz
D:Tom Hughes, Border Fiddler
N:Simplified transcription
Z:Nigel Gatherer
L:1/8
M:3/4
K:C
G>F |: E2 [E2C2] [E2C2] | [E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | [E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | G>^F A>G =F>D |
[D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] | [D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] | G>^F A>G F>G | E2 [E2C2] [E2C2] |
[E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | [E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | G>^F A>G =F>D | [D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] |
[D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] | G>^F A>G (3=FED |1 C3 EG>F :|2 C4 ||
K:D
A>d |: f3 ff>e | d4 A2 | BA G2 F2 | A,2 [E2C2] [E2C2] |
g3 ag>f | e3 dc>B | A2 G2 E2 | F2 D2 D2 |
f3 ff>e | d4 A2 | BA G2 F2 | [E2C2] [E2C2] |
g3 ag>f | e3 dc>B | A2 G2 A,2 | D4 ||
A2 | d2 F>d F>d | c2 G>c G>c | B2 G>B G>B | A2 F>A F>A |
d2 F>d F>d | c2 G>A B2 | A2 G2 C2 | D4 :|
K:G
Bc | d4 c2 | e4 d2 | b6 | b4 c’2 | b4 a2 | B4 f2 |
g>f g>a b>g | d2 B2 Bc | d4 c2 | e4 d2 | b6 |
b4 c’2 | b4 a2 | B4 f2 | g>f g>a b>a | g4 ||
d>c | B z [B,D] z [B,D] z | B z [B,D] z [B,D] z | d>^c e>d =c>B | c z [CE] z [CE] z |
B>A d>c B>A | B z [B,D] z [B,D] z | B z [B,D] z [B,D] z | d>^c e>d =c>B |
c z [CE] z [CE] z | B>A d>c B>A | [G4B4] :|
G>F |: E2 [E2C2] [E2C2] | [E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | [E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | G>^F A>G =F>D |
[D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] | [D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] | G>^F A>G F>G | E2 [E2C2] [E2C2] |
[E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | [E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | G>^F A>G =F>D | [D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] |
[D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] | G>^F A>G (3=FED | [C4E4] ||

The final part, which is a repeat of the first part, should have "K:C" preceding it.

Missed out a couple of bars :-(

X:960
T:Kelso Hiring Fair
T:Victoria Waltz
D:Tom Hughes, Border Fiddler
N:Simplified transcription
Z:Nigel Gatherer
L:1/8
M:3/4
K:C
G>F |: E2 [E2C2] [E2C2] | [E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | [E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | G>^F A>G =F>D |
[D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] | [D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] | G>^F A>G F>G | E2 [E2C2] [E2C2] |
[E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | [E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | G>^F A>G =F>D | [D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] |
[D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] | G>^F A>G (3=FED |1 C3 EG>F :|2 C4 ||
K:D
A>d |: f3 ff>e | d4 A2 | BA G2 F2 | A,2 [E2C2] [E2C2] |
g3 ag>f | e3 dc>B | A2 G2 E2 | F2 D2 D2 |
f3 ff>e | d4 A2 | BA G2 F2 | [E2C2] [E2C2] |
g3 ag>f | e3 dc>B | A2 G2 A,2 | D4 ||
A2 | d2 F>d F>d | c2 G>c G>c | B2 G>B G>B | A2 F>A F>A |
d2 F>d F>d | c2 G>A B2 | A2 G2 C2 | D4 :|
K:G
Bc | d4 c2 | e4 d2 | b6 | b4 c’2 | b4 a2 | B4 f2 |
g>f g>a b>g | d2 B2 Bc | d4 c2 | e4 d2 | b6 |
b4 c’2 | b4 a2 | B4 f2 | g>f g>a b>a | g4 ||
d>c | B z [B,D] z [B,D] z | B z [B,D] z [B,D] z | d>^c e>d =c>B | c z [CE] z [CE] z |
c z [CE] z [CE] z | B>A d>c B>A | B z [B,D] z [B,D] z | B z [B,D] z [B,D] z | d>^c e>d =c>B |
c z [CE] z [CE] z | c z [CE] z [CE] z | B>A d>c B>A | [G4B4] :|
G>F |: E2 [E2C2] [E2C2] | [E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | [E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | G>^F A>G =F>D |
[D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] | [D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] | G>^F A>G F>G | E2 [E2C2] [E2C2] |
[E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | [E2G,2] [E2C2] [E2C2] | G>^F A>G =F>D | [D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] |
[D2G,2] [D2B,2] [D2B,2] | G>^F A>G (3=FED | [C4E4] ||

Thanks Nigel, appreciated. I’ve a few transcriptions myself to add later, after I’ve checked them over a few times against the recordings…

The double stopping doesn’t display as anticipated, I imagine.

I offer some code, taken via Colin Hume’s website, which uses U(pper) & L(ower) voices on one stave. It looks (and "plays") OK when using the converter to MIDI & Ghostscript on his website.

I have shown the whole file; you will need to take out the irrelevant headers, etc. Hope it works - good luck


X:1
T:Victoria - part thereof
L:1/8
%%MIDI beat 100 95 80
Q:1/4=120
M:3/4
K:D
%%staves (U L)
V:U
x2 | d6 | c6 | B6 | A6 |
V:L
(3ABc | (DF D.F DF) | (EA E.A EA) | (DG D.G DG) | (DF D.F DF) |
V:U
d6 | c6 | x6 | x4 ||
V:L
(DF D.F DF) | (EA E.A EA) | B3 (A GE) | D4 ||

All the best

Peter Jenkins

Thanks ~ more to think about and experiment with… ;-)

Something doesn’t quite work here. If I put it in the headers it screws up the whole transcription. If I put it just before the lines given, as shown above, then those lines are exactly as I’d hoped, but ~ everything following is barless… Curious, and I think requires a couple of emails…

If you put the headers for that small part at the head of the entire tune you will mess things up a good deal. You really need something like:

X and the usual headers
K:C
%%staves (U)
V:U
Everything down to the stuff Peter posted above
%%staves (U L )
Peter’s stuff
%%staves (U)
V:U
the rest of the tune.

Obviously key shifts need to be in the right place too.

You need to define what parts have two parts and expect them to be displayed on one staff and also what parts have one part. Logical enough…if you happen to think that way!

Hope this helps.

Chuck Boody

That makes sense. I’ll give it a go. Thanks cboody. It isn’t like this brain isn’t already on trial, lots of distractions, not all pleasant ones, worries included, and the pain of a badly infected right arm - taking in fingers to shoulder blade, upper back and neck ~ yeah, I know, I’m bellyaching and making excuses. But ~ it is a right pain, literally. Anyway, much appreciated. I suspected there was the need for some kind of sandwiching, but what I’d tried didn’t work. Now I’ll try this. Best of health to you and yours, and your music too ~ ‘c’

I’ll trade you. My right leg has kep me from exercising for a bout a month. Sometimes life is not fun. Good luck with your problems and with your music.

Chuck

And best of luck to you and your game leg too. ;-)

# Posted by Nigel Gatherer - June 24th, 2012 ~ his "-transcription of Tam Hughes’s recording of "The Kelso Hiring Fair", a.k.a. "Victoria Waltz"." - - - With minor repairs where there were some missing bars, hoping this transcription does justice to Nigel’s…

Great stuff, ceolachan - thank you!