Rhythm: 2/4 MARCH ( not a polka! !)
Source: The Boys of the Lough: 1973 second album
Transcription: Gian Marco Pietrasanta (craniota)
Nice post, craniota! I learned this tune donkey’s years ago but not many people know it these days.
I would prefer to see this notated in 4/4. Also the final E in the first-time bar and at the end of the tune should IMHO be placed at the beginning of the tune as the upbeat (anacrusis, pick-up bar) where it belongs. The tune cannot end on an E as implied but must end on an A. In the B music when a quaver (1/8 note) is followed by a crotchet(1/4 note) on the same note (a), the "halting" effect is introduced by playing the quarter note very stacatto. This effect was meant to represent the thrust of the pike (hopefully into the practice dummy!).
Do you really thinkthatthisisapolka?
Its a military drill march,sometimes called the Pikeman’s March. Does anyone knowmore about its origin.
Angels of the North
It’s a march. And yes, it’s sometimes called the Pikeman which waht I know it as.
The Thatch Ceildh Band play this…FAST! Does that make it a polka?
Another transcription can be found here, in 4/4:
tune 38, page 15
"Irish Traditional Music: Session Tunes Book 3"
Anthony Sullivan - Halshaw Music
mayo trad group ceide have recorded this march but their cd has not been released yet
This march was published in the Gems of Melody (Seóda Ceóil) books published by Pigott& Co Ltd Dublin as an original song called Sgéal M’Athar (My Fathers Story) with poetry by P.T, Mc Ginley (my grandfather) and music by Carl G Hardebeck .These two men men knew each other in Belfast in Gaelic League circles circa 1908-1912.
There are words in Irish and Englishi n the published version and we have another verse or two in Irish in the family.
Halting march origin
The band I play in does a great version of this tune as a military march. From what I understand it’s origins are with the pikemen of northern Ireland and it was used a training tool. The ordered set of breaks in it are indicitive of the insertion and removal of the pike. The cadence is definitely military. In general the feeling of the tune is one of the various military parades that were used to train with the various weapons.
Discussion: Name that March ! ~
# Posted on July 19th 2007 by Bannerman
ComhaltasLive #218 - 4: Ceoltóirí na Mainistreach - 2 Marches:
Two marches played beautifully by "Ceoltóirí na Mainistreach" from Ennis, County Clare, recorded at the Senior Céilí Band competition, Fleadh Cheoil na hÉireann 2006, Letterkenny, County Donegal…
1.) "The Pikeman’s March" / "The Halting March"
2.) "John O’Shea’s March"
Key signature: G, A & D Major
Submitted on July 24th 2005 by ceolachan.
I tried flating the F# and this tune sounded better in A minor rather than Ador.
F natural? Shocking!! Make it as sharp as a pike!
It probably is best to use both f natural and f #t in different places actually, or, as a contrasting variation, in the same place. c/c# both come naturally when you play this march in E on flute or whistle.
Does anyone know the name of the Scottish version: Castle something or something dubh??
Open the Door for Three
Kieran O’Hare, Liz Knowles, and Pat Broaders (aka Open the Door for Three) play a crackin’ version of this tune on the closing track of their self-titled album.
X: 3 “The Pikeman’s March” ~ Bulmer & Sharpley
B: "Music From Ireland, Volume Two", Dave Bulmer & Neil Sharpley, 1974, page 21, tune #77
Some slight adjustments have been made to aid comparison ~ notes are grouped as 4/4 instead of 2/2, or:
| g>a ge dB GB | instead of | g>age dBGB |
And, possibly a mistake? ~ they notate the B-part as repeating? ~ ending it ~ | A2 AG A4 :|
The Pikeman - Dessie Wilkinson and Gerry O’Connor
Crooked B part or not?
The way I learned this tune is pretty much as notated with the B part short the second time through. But I just listened to the Raw Bar Collective’s recording of it again (what a powerful sound!), and they play it even. Does anyone know about the crookedness vs um…well, not-crookedness?
tmg-I don’t think of this tune as "crooked." To me crooked is a section with 7 measures, or 9, or maybe 7and a half. This is more like a set dance with a longer B section. That being said, in my admittedly less-than-vast experience I’ve always heard it as notated above, with an 8 bar A section and a 12 bar B section
just slightly crooked
Mixing of 8-bar A section and a 12-bar B section is not unusual as a Set Dance; as in, say, St. Patrick’s Day, well-known set dance tune. FBOWorse, though this tune category is missing on thesession.org ‘s tune lookup, set dances will still appear under "Jigs" and are submitted as such in 6/8 time, but with the extra bars.. no big deal.. unless you’re set dancing. ;-)
Lyrics to: The Halting March, The Pikeman’s March, The Pikeman, The Pikeman’s, My Father’s Story, Sgeal M Athar tune
Does anyone have any sort of lyrics to these tunes: The Halting March, The Pikeman’s March, The Pikeman, The Pikeman’s, My Father’s Story, Sgeal M Athar tune, which I believe are all the same tune, just different names.
The Halting March, X:4
Here’s the Raw Bar Collective version which is in A minor not A dorian.
The Halting March, X:6
version with 8 more bars on B section of X:1
The Pikeman’s, X:7
From the playing of Cran.
They ornament a bunch of notes, haven’t shown that here.
The Halting March, X:8
From the playing of Glenfiddle.
They throw in a bunch of extra bars in the B Part, have set it to the same length/structure as X7.
The Halting March, X:9
From the playing of The Irish Fellas.