Butcher’s Hornpipe three-two


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X: 1
T: Butcher's Hornpipe
R: three-two
M: 3/2
L: 1/8
K: Gmaj
||: GFGA B2 c2 d4|edcB cBAG F2 D2| F2 d2 E2 c2 D2 B2|D2 EF G2 D2 B,2 G,2 :||
||: g4 Bc d2 g2 G2|cd e2 A2 a2 f4|e2 ce d2 Bd c2 Ac|D2 G2 GABc A2 G2 :||
||: G3 A GABc d2 G2|F2 A4 B2 c2 E2|E3 F EFEF G2 C2|A,2 D2 DEDC B,2 G,2 :||

Six comments

Butcher’s Hornpipe

Since I only know the feel of the Irish tune forms, some discussions of 3/2 hornpipes made me curious.
I tried playing some from the dots, but could not understand how they should sound.
In this track from "hover", Byrony Griffith plays a (fast) 4/4 hornpipe and then (at around 1:50) changes
to the 3/2 hornpipe transcribed here (I didn’t indicate where she uses staccato, plucked notes).
I could play along with this (on concertina) and finally get the feel of the tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qapuzmPtSmo

Re: Butcher’s Hornpipe

In the setting I have, which I think is the same as on the vid clip, bar three - the plucked notes - goes E2 c2 D2 B2 C2 A2: i.e. the ‘bounce’ is tone lower than as written above. It seems to make more sense that way. (see http://www.rudemex.co.uk/library/ABC/Butcher’s.abc for full abc setting)

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Re: Butcher’s Hornpipe

I got those notes (bar three) from the book
JOHN OF THE GREENY CHESHIRE WAY by John Offord
which is online at http://richardrobinson.tunebook.org.uk/Document/JohnotGCW?index=2 .
I didn’t really listen carefully to what Byrony played (plucked) in that bar
since all the rest of what she played agreed with the setting in that book.
So there may be more than one way to play that bar.

I was mainly trying to understand the feel of such tunes.

Re: Butcher’s Hornpipe

I know what you mean about trying to get a feel for 3/2 hornpipes: I’ve raised this before (https://thesession.org/discussions/42684). I suppose it would be good to get a clue from someone who knows about the dances for which they were written. I’ve heard them done quite slow and stately, but also played at a fair old lick. And played alongside a Swedish Polska. (Try ‘The Presbyterian’ with ‘Hårgalåten’).

I’ve looked at the setting: in ‘John of the Green’: your notation is like Mr Offord’s, except he starts the bar with an F#.

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Re: Butcher’s Hornpipe

Love the 3/2s. Andy Cutting and Leveret play quite a few of them, and usually challenge their audiences to get up and dance to them, as "no-one ever does". As with anything else, not too difficult once you get the groove!

Re: Butcher’s Hornpipe

Bazza, I changed the first note in bar 3 to F#. It does seem more logical.
That online source says:
" transcribed by Steve Bliven and made available to the ‘net by permission of Mr Offord.
The book is now, sadly, out of print. "
Maybe Mr. Bliven made an error when transcribing the book into ABCs or whatever.