4 Minutes 33 Seconds waltz

Also known as 4’33, Blank, Lament For The Mother In Law, Music For An Unfound Harmonium, The Quite Quiet Englishwoman.

4 Minutes 33 Seconds has been added to 60 tunebooks.

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Two settings

X: 1
T: 4 Minutes 33 Seconds
R: waltz
M: 3/4
L: 1/8
K: Gdor
z6|z6|z6|z6|z6|z6|
z6|z6|z6|z6|z6|z6|
z6|z6|z6|z6|z6|z6|
z6|z6|z6|z6|z6|z6|
z6|z6|z6|z6|z6|z6|
z6|z6|z6|z6|z6|z6|
z6|z6|z6|z6|z6|z6|
X: 2
T: 4 Minutes 33 Seconds
R: waltz
M: 3/4
L: 1/8
K: Gdor
|: z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 |
z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 :|
|: z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 |
z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 :|
z | z3 z3 | z3 z3 | z3 z3 | z3 z3 |
z3 z3 | z3 z3 | z3 z3 |1 z3 z2 :|2 z3 z2 ||
z | z3 z3 | z3 z3 | z3 z3 | z3 z3 |
z3 z3 | z3 z3 | z3 z3 |1 z3 z2 :|2 z3 z2 ||

Sixty-six comments

Without doubt this will be the most played tune at sessions ever. Btw, in view of the key signature shouldn’t it be in E-locrian rather than G-dorian?
Trevor

Yeah, I’m not so sure about the time signature either.

The problem with this tune is that too many people play it too fast just to show off. I hate that.

Oh, no, no, no, you couldn’t play this one too fast OR too slow, there’s that narrow margin in which it’s right, everything else is wrong…

LOL — you guys are hilarious…

And BTW, isn’t this tune copyrighted? Isn’t ASCAP or BMI going to come after us for this one?

4Min 33 sec

It is copyrighted.A band whose name escapes me put a silent track on a cd and were sucessfully sued by John Cage’s estate.It’s a mad,mad world.

If you look up the links on the 4’33" discussion thread I think you’ll find that the dispute was settled out of court, with a sizable sum being donated to John Cage’s estate as a goodwill gesture. I gathered that no royalties will be paid to JC on the sales of that cd. On this basis the copyright position would therefore appear to be still undetermined. One thing is sure though, if a case like that ever ends up in court it’s going to be a real money-spinner for the lawyers.
Btw, what do you call 500 lawyers at the bottom of the Atlantic?
Answer: not enough.
Trevor

What I want to know is who are the three people who added this to their tunebooks!?!?!

I’m going to teach this at our next slow session. In fact I’m going to start with this tune any time anyone complains that learning by ear is too difficult….

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I think you ought to put it in the next Helena Session Tune Book, Will…

But look out for the copyright! :)

Finally! A piece that I can play with all experienced ITM players everywhere!!!

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I don’t know…it’s hard to learn this one from the midi alone. I’d much rather hear it live. I’d better bring my tape recorder to the next session and politely ask if I can tape it.

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Heck, I’ll even volunteer to lead this one!!!

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4 minutes 33 seconds (waltz)

In line with the great tradition of Irish music whereby performers habitually make variations and versions of a tune on the hoof, I have decided on a version in which I have changed the first bar to |B4z2|, and the last bar to |E6||, and putting in a repeat of the section from bar 9 to bar 16.
This, incidentally, would appear get round any copyright problems.
I believe there is no copyright in the title of a work.

Trevor

4 Minutes 33 Seconds (waltz)

Every time I play it at the session, I get a lot of compliments.

Great! Will try that tune at the next session. Difficult to stay quiet, but I think I’ll get compliments as Gian did.

Harrumph

I’ve never heard it.

—-Michael B.

Popular with students?

So many of my students hum this one during oral exams.

i’ve spent years on this one and i always seem to play it without any neagh!

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They trashed this tune at the session last Sunday.

4’3’3

Dosn’t it annoy you when someone plays this tune for 4’3’4, or even, god forbid, 4’3’6. :)

Paddy Fahey’s

This is all very droll. Is the music to the Paddy Fahey’s on the Craobh Rua CD that is linked to this anywhere on the site?

Try “search”

I think "Craobh Rua" recorded one of Paddy Fahy’s jigs, but it would help if you told us what type of tune it is you’re looking for and which of their recordings it’s on. Do a search for Fahy, or Fahey on jigs and you’ll get 6 choices.

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This tune is best played all night on the Bodhran.

particulary hard t play on my bagpipes ( a musette du centre, I must transpose it, it’s hard). Let’s send it to the best pipers of the world, it’ll be such a great challenge…

It’s in 19 tunebooks now !

name and shame, I say !

Bad Transcription ~

Wouldn’t you just know it, Key’s left out 6 measures… That’s unforgiveably sloppy. He’s got the key signature wrong too. This is definitely Phrygian, that at least is what my tinnitis is telling me. Maybe we should petition Jeremy to delete this faulty transcription and someone can add the correction?

Sorry, ceol. I should’ve known you would pick up any mistakes. But that’s the way it’s played in our session. And we play it with some variations, and call it 5 minutes 42 seconds. Just call it a regional variation. This is what keeps the music alive, I’m sure you’d agree.

Does anyone have the dots or ABC for a version of this in a whistle-friendly key?

Dispense with dots - learn it by ear !

An oasis, a haven!

I’ve found an oasis, a haven on this site, away from all the troubled waters elsewhere.

Help!!

I can’t play it. Please help me out someone or I’ll be the laughing-stock of the town.

Don’t worry dan. You just have to take it slowly, one bar at a time. Try playing each through several times, start slowly but gradually build up speed (if you start off too fast your bowing gets messed up and when you try to bring it up to speed you’ll just get all confused and will most likely make mistakes).

And don’t forget to breath…

In fairness to quieter instruments in a session when this is being played should I put the mute on my fiddle?

I was also wondering if harmonising/improvisation would be acceptable to the composer?

you’ve got to be careful about ornaments in this one, but i think harmonies would be okay as long as they’re not too intrusive.

and yes, i think the mute would be a good idea.

The thing is, since most trad players don’t use sheet music…. the page turn in the middle of the piece probably won’t come across in a truly meaningful way.

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Sore fingers

They played this in my session last week but someone started it off too fast and I couldn’t keep up. I really hate it when they do that. Is there an easier version for us relative newbies?

the thing with this one - if you can’t manage it, don’t play it at all. there’s no point. Just practice and only join in when you’re ready.

No noodling allowed…

"What I want to know is who are the three people who added this to their tunebooks!?!?!"

Key Maniac Lad, mehitabel23, D.J.F., John Gillard, Ponsonby J. Britt, daiv, Gard, gaitazampogna_32, Leiouekairna, Bregolas, Peter Piper, Madflo, Wannabe-piper, thesam, Dan Foster and Laitch. I don’t know who the others are; maybe their accounts were deleted.

^^Dan Foster is now DJF!

Name changes ARE confusing!

Yeah the name change has confused me alright.
Does anyone have a copy of the lyrics for this tune??

It’s right there, on the tip of my tongue… Can you hum a few bars to get me started?

Night night…..

my poor neighbour…. i just found a tune called we happy few and liked it so much i played it many times before i relaised that it’s midnight…. my poor patient neighbours… then was just about to switch off when i came accross this… Cool a tune I can practice at any time whithout the need for an electric violin with biult in headphones…
I just had a quick run through and it seems like a good melody.. In fact so much so that I might have to go next door and play the extended version called 8hrs and 40mins…
With so much extra practice time I should be a virtuoso by the morning…

4:33

Our band loops this tune (IT’S A SLOW AIR, NOT A WALTZ!) over the sound system while we’re breaking down the stage. It helps noodge lingering dancers out the door so we can pack it in and go out for pints. It works almost as well as the university library’s excessively loud late night broadcast over the P.A. system of the theme to the Hawaii 5-0 (U.S) TV series that used to clear the stacks and cubicles of sleepers and lovers in minutes flat.

I play a variation on bars 15-16: ~z3 (z3 | z2) (3zzz zz
Anyone else do that?

I’m not sure this is a waltz. You coud’nt dance to it.

To play this tune truly authentically, you’d have to make sure every bar lasts for exactly 6.5 seconds. So set your metronome at 2.166666666666666666666666666666667 bpm, and you should be good. With some margin of error.

Great! This is going in my Tunebook! Thanks Danny

4 Minutes 33 Seconds

Anybody have the chords for this?

Yes but if you want my arrangement then you will need to pay me.

Why are so many people bickering about whether you should play it slow of fast?!?!?!?!? It was clearly marked for you, right? So let’s just settle it! It lasts for exactly 4 minutes and 33 seconds! unless you decide to repeat it, so then it would go for about 9 minutes and 6 seconds, or….. well, you know.

ps. I put this in my tunebook! :)

I don’t think you’ve got it, an fidleir. The point is not how long the piece is, but how you play it as you go through it.

And Joe CSS didn’t get it either. He’s taking no account of the various ritardandos and stringendos that are present in the piece. And I don’t think anyone has yet mentioned the dramatic climax halfway through bar 15. One of the sublime moments in music.

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4 Minutes 33 Seconds is too difficult for me

This one’s too hard for me. I cannot get to the end of it before succumbing to an uncontrollable urge to cough, sniff or eat something. That makes me part of the expected element of chance noise in the work. But I am a perfectionist, and wanted to be the star.

That’s a really good tune (far better then many tunes written by me). Usually i prefer play it slightly swung.

It IS a bad transcription

There’s only one movement listed here.

X: 2
T: 4 Minutes 33 Seconds
T: 2nd movement
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
R: hornpipe
K: Gdor
|: z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 |
z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 :|
|: z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 |
z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 | z4 z4 :|

X: 3
T: 4 Minutes 33 Seconds
T: 3rd movement
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K: Gdor
z | z3 z3 | z3 z3 | z3 z3 | z3 z3 |
z3 z3 | z3 z3 | z3 z3 |1 z3 z2 :|2 z3 z2 ||
z | z3 z3 | z3 z3 | z3 z3 | z3 z3 |
z3 z3 | z3 z3 | z3 z3 |1 z3 z2 :|2 z3 z2 ||

round

do you think this would work as a round sung on parts..?
and if so how many parts would be best.. would 433 parts be a bit cluttered..?

Is it actually a dance tune?

Played as a canon of 3 voices is really great (very challenging), but the rhythm section is a mess. We perform as streetmusicians and people dancing to this tune seem more like walking randomly around (like a polka, not a waltz). They just ignore the steady pulse we propose. The odd thing is, performed as an air they dance the same old. Please help us to get this song right.

I don’t agree with people pretending this tune being a close relative to another tune whose name I don’t remember. It’s a tune of it’s own.
Does anybody know of an extra thirteenth part ?

I agree with Didier.
But many people don’t know the truth!
This tune is actually a masterpiece with more than 35 parts… so Didier : Il va falloir retrouver les parties manquantes! Mais ça ne sera pas facile parce que ce morceau est vachement compliqué.
:)

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Re: 4 Minutes 33 Seconds

Is it a tune for Buddhists? Once through then increase to playing it fully four times, all the while feeling conscious of the breaths you take. This sort of meditation "on the breath" my sister found healthful when she was extremely ill. 20 mins could do you good and refresh the mind for playing your instrument later,
p e r h a p s.

Re: 4 Minutes 33 Seconds

The nearest you could get to that is to play it 4 times: that would give you 19 minutes and 12 seconds, not 20 minutes!