This is an A-mix version of the tune as I remember it played by Kieran Crehan (fiddle) on the album "Broken-hearted I’ll Wander" by Dolores Keane and John Faulkner. The version recorded by Altan is in D, but otherwise substantially the same.
Two part version
Altan don’ t repeat the second part, but continues directly with the third part of your version, so a two part version remains.
This tune is in A Minor not D Major as indicated, therefore all the ‘C’s are natural not sharp. The tune sounds awful if you pay it with C sharps. This is probably obvious to people who play by ear.
The tune is in A mixolydian, not Aminor, and not D, with all the Cs sharp , and the transcription is accurate. There’s not a C natural in the tune anywhere. Like Steve Jones, I first heard this played by Kieran Crehan at Aberdeen Folk Club nearly 30 years ago. It’s listed here as on 11 recordings, and the first was by "Shegui", played as a whistle duet by John Skelton and Sean Keane. The transcription here is how Crehan, Skelton and Keane played it. Some where along the line, someone may have changed the Cs to naturals as a variation, but I believe this is the original version.
I think this tune is usually attributed to Finbar Dwyer, but will have to check up on that.
Cs are definately natural Kenny
This tune would sound awful if you play all the Cs sharp, despite what Kenny has stated, it just isn’t musical with sharp Cs.
It’s that Kenny knows the tune.
I’ve also often heard the Dmix version as played by Altan: DA,~A,2 DA,FA,|… with the F accidentalised & played natural for the 1st bar only, then # thereafter.
I play it in Amix myself - learnt from the Dervish version actually, and it’s one of my fave tunes. Can’t be bothered to post it in case someone accuses Liam Kelly of not playing by ear. That would just make me wince.
I could post a Martin H**** version but I won’t - anyway it’s pretty similar (Amix). The only Cnat is in the first bar. The rest are sharps.
Those pesky C’s
I’m a "by ear" player, and I’ve been learning this tune off Mark Robert’s new (and great) recording, The Gloup. I’m hearing a C# and THEN C natural. But get to this address, listen yourself (it’s the second tune in the set) and see what you hear: http://efolkmusic.org/ArtMusic/viewalbum.asp?ProductCode=93_7549&Artist=Mark+Roberts&AID=93#93_7549.
=c & ^c & _b ! ! !
This is my transcription from John Whelan’s CD Celtic Roots - The Spirit Of Dance. It’s in Dmix and has both C natural and C sharp, And even a Bb!
And it’s plenty musical.
T: The Kylebrack Rambler
C: Finbar Dwyer
S: John Whelan - Spirit Of Dnce (5.1)
Z: Kevin Fontaine (06-24-2007)
DA,~A,2 DA,=FA,|DA,~A,2 CA,G,A,|DA,~A,2 DA,DA|FDAF GEFG|
Adde d^cAB|cGAc GECE|CB,A,G, A,D~D2|1 FAGE D3^C:|2 FAGE DEFG||
|:AFGA FD~D2|dedc AGdB|c2Gc EGce|dced cAGE|
~d2fA ~d2fd|^cA~A2 EA^CA|GE~E2 CDEG|cAGE DEFG:|
|:AD~D2 A,D~D2|dA~A2 dcA_B|BcdB cAGE|CcBd cGEG|
FD~D2 A,D~D2|dA~A2 dcA_B|BcdB cAGE|1 CEGE DEFG:|2 CEGE D3^C||
Enjoy . . I know I do!
Finbarr Dwyer recorded this tune in E mixolydian so maybe that’s the original key.
The Kylebrack Rambler
First tune here…..
The second tune is this one…..
This one is kinda fun to figure out from a key perspective. I know the version by the Barra McNeils (The Traditional Album) and they play a C nat in the first bar only and C# from then on. With the F being sharp all the way through, we get and A Mixolydian for most of the tune. Musically I think it works well, actually.
..can sometimes sound superfluous or affected: not with this one! That’s as awesome as they get!
a2 c’a be e2 | ^ge e2 Be e2 | dB B2
@JackB, re. your X:3 above. I note that you have moderated your position somewhat in the past 8 years - back then you thought all the Cs should be natural, and that this would be "obvious to people who played by ear." Now you allow us a few C sharps at the end of lines at least. 🙂
I do play by ear and my original transcription is pretty faithful to the recorded source, i.e. the playing of Kieran Crehan on Broken-Hearted I’ll Wander.
There are loads of ways of playing many tunes of course. But it’s a pity though that you didn’t transcribe the tune afresh from your own playing or from a setting that you know, instead of copying and pasting my ABCs and changing a few notes here and there, which is clearly what you have done.
PS Give my regards to Craig Fischer when you next see him.
I’m not going to bother transcribe his playing but if you listen to Finbarr himself play this on his Accordion Music record he plays it E as stated above, also in the 5th bar of the 2nd part he plays e2=ge bege, i.e., the 3rd of the scale becomes temporarily minor. I think his piano player persists in playing an Emaj chord, too…bit dire there. So if it were in Dmix it’d be d2=fd adfd etc. Just so’s you know, here’s another tune where players have deviated a bit from the original. Also the title on the record is just "Finbarr Dwyer’s Fancy."
is from the fiddle of Josephine Keegan (1980). I think the track used to be on YT, but unfortunately I can’t find it any more… maybe it got deleted or something. 😏
Anyway, I just read through the comments, and FWIW, she plays those naturals in the first bar only as well; the piano player shifts from minor to major in bar 4, which is exactly the way I like this tune. Never heard it being played in minor only anyway.
Kylebrack Rambler New Setting
Just published a Dmix setting as per the above youtube video recorded for TG4 Geantrai of a Glasgow session with Katie Boyle, Johnny Canning, Celine Donoghue et al. They go into Roddy McDonald’s Fancy, which is a nice lift.
Kylebrack Rambler New Setting
Nice Jamie, great setting of this tune!
Re: The Kylebrack Rambler
nice version here:
The Kylebrack Rambler, X:6
Added Altan’s «literal» version.
The Kylebrack Rambler, X:7
Similar to v6 but with repeats after each section, and a couple minor changes. Roughly based on a version by the Poozies.
The Kylebrack Rambler, X:8
This is the version I play, I learned it in when living in Sligo in the mid ’90s.