Bobbin’ John (three-two) on The Session

Also known as Bob And Joan, Boban John, Bobbin Joan, Bobbin John, Bobbing Joan, Bobbing John, Love And Whiskey.

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Bob And Joan

There has been some discussion recently about 3/2’s that have crossed over from England to Ireland and turned into hop jigs, like the Lancashire tune "The Dusty Millar". I thought this would be an ideal tune to play with James Kelly’s, as played by Matt Molloy.

I believe that there are some Irish versions of "Bob And Joan" too. In Northumberland this tune is usually played in the dorian mode, but elsewhere appears without the #6 (see JC’s tunefinder for some examples). I much prefer it with the #6.

This is such a simple tune but that’s what I like about it. Apparently there are many versions in different metres, and it is the cousin of "Lang Stayed Away" https://thesession.org/tunes/3024. The setting posted here comes from a recording by Nancy Kerr, her mother Sandra, and James Fagan, entitled "Scalene". It’s similar to the version that appears in the William Vickers MS (1770). The Scalene version is interesting because they start out playing it as a sort of slow waltz type thing in 3/4:

M:3/4
L:1/8
|:e2 c2 A2|B2 c4|e2 c2 A2|c2 B2 d2|
e2 c2 A2|B2 c4|B2 G2 G2|c2 B2 d2:|
|:c2 e2 g2|f2 e4|c2 e2 g2|f2 e2 g2|
a3g f2|e2 d3c|B2 G2 G2|c2 B2 d2:|

…and then they switch to 3/2 rhythm for going into the next tune in the set.

Apparently this was originally Scottish, and entitled "Boban John" or "Bobbin John". A quote from the Fiddler’s Companion:

"Williamson (1976) says: "’Boban’ or ‘Bobbin John’… was a nickname for the Earl of Mar, a supporter of James Stuart, The Old Pretender".

Although this is more commonly known as "Bob And Joan" where I come from, I’ve decided to change this to its original name. The history behind it is too interesting to ignore. A Google search produced this:

"On 6th September, 1715, one of the more memorable Braemar Gatherings took place when John Erskine, 24th Earl of Mar, raised the Standard for King James VIII and III on the spot now covered by the Invercauld Arms Hotel. The Earldom of Mar is one of Europe’s oldest titles, and at that time the Earl held a large area of land in Aberdeenshire. "Bobbin’ John", the 24th Earl, however, was a politician of fickle loyalties (hence the title Bobbing) who bore a grudge after having been snubbed by George I".

A Scottish version

Strange memory jar -

This immediately came to hand after playing this, ‘The Rocky Road to Dublin’, I started singing to ‘Bobin’ John’ first, and then:

https://thesession.org/tunes/593

Thanks for the addition Dow… I’m still wanting to learn to dance to these things…

Key?

I was taught this tune in the key of D major (I think?!?- One note up at least). I think it gives it a bit more lift and when I play the tune in the two different keys, I just don’t feel this version sounds quite finished. My version has a few diff notes, like in the first bar the rest is up a note from this version but the 3rd note is still and A. Does anybody else prefer my different key?

the butterfly

Nah…

A variation on the tune is used for the song "Cam Ye O’er Frae France" as sung (among others) by Steeeye Span.
You can get the words of the song and more details on the background history at:

http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/pages/tiCAMFRANC;ttCAMFRANC.html

yea! that last one is well worth checking out;
it’s a classic song and tune so it is!
heard it on a great Tannahill Weavers album (they all are)

“Bobbin’ John” / “Bobbin’ Joan” / “Bob and Joan” ~ rescued duplication

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# Posted on December 1st 2009 by fiddlerdan

Bobbin’ John three-two

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