Larry Grogan jig

Also known as Ali Grogan, Ally Croaker, Aly Grogan, Larry Grogan’s.

There are 5 recordings of this tune.

Larry Grogan appears in 4 other tune collections.

Larry Grogan has been added to 14 tunebooks.

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Three settings

X: 1
T: Larry Grogan
R: jig
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
K: Gmaj
|:(d/c/)|BGB BGB|AFA ABc|BdB cAF|GGG G2:|
e|=f3 edc|Bcd dBG|=f3 efg|ABA A2e|
=f3 edc|Bcd dBG|BdB cAF|GAG G2:|
# Added by JD .
X: 2
T: Larry Grogan
R: jig
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
K: Gmaj
d/c/|BGB BGB|AFA ABc|ded cAF|GBd g2 d/c/|
BGB BGB|AFA ABc|d/e/fd cAF|GAG g2:|
d/e/|=f3 edc|Bcd dBG|=f3 e^fg|A>BA A2 d/e/|
=f3 edc|Bcd dBG|B/c/dB cAF|GAG G2:|
X: 3
T: Larry Grogan
R: jig
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
K: Gmaj
|:c|BGB BGB|AFA ABc|(B/c/d)B cAF|GGG GG:|
|:e|=f>gf edc|Bcd dBG|=f<gf efg|AAA AAe|
=f>gf edc|Bcd dBG|(B/c/d)B cAF|GGG GG:|
|:g|BBg BBg|AAg AAg|BBg AAg|GGG GG:|
|:e|=ffa eeg|dec dBG|=fed egB|aAA AAe|
=f3 e3|decd BG|(B/c/d)B cAF|GGG GG:|

Eight comments

Larry Grogans

hey, sorry that i havent been around in a while but with christmas exams at school it was kinda hectic. anyhow, here is a nice but rare tune as far as i know that i got from the airds collection of 1789.
Enjoy !!!

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A nit to pick

Sorry to get technical. I just wondered what was meant by the F-natural in the 2nd part, since there isn’t any F# (or, indeed, F-flat) in the key signature.

Tune name confusion

in wales the tune is known as ali grogan and believed to be london stage or scottish in origin. its generally played in g major in wales thanks to the dance tune books but a few of us in west wales play it in a modal with shifting c/csharps. i understand its been here since the eighteenth century also.

the welsh title sounds like alley crocker, given in your database as an english reel and i found this in an early irish tune title index here

Ally Croaker; TMP1 |1376|: Ally Croaker; Muses Delight, 1754
|1408|=|1376|: Ally Croaker; DR2 |1441|=|1376|: Ally Croaker;
JJ7 |1611|,|1376|: [Ally Croker]; Midas |1643|,|1376|: Ally
Croaker; Mus. Misc. 1786 |2219|=|1376|: When first I began,
Sir; Calliope, 1788 |2385|,|1376|: Ally Croaker; THM 106
|2893|=|1376|: Ally Croaker; NLS MS 3379 |3704|=|1376|: Ally
Croaker [for Moore’s song, Through Erin’s isle, entitled- The
Shamrock]; SMIM5 #1, 1813 |5335|,|1376|: Ally Croaker; RFM1
#255 |9287|,|1376|: Alley Croker; LMI 31 |6431|,|1376|: Paddy
Croaker; HFIM 76 |6639|,|1376|: Blackwater Foot; PT1 87b
|6755|,|1376|: [See file CNTYDAN2 for other copies. [Song and
tune, “Ally Croker”, is on single sheet song with music c 1730,
but I don’t have a copy of it. Wm. Chappell in PMOT say tune is
found for a song “No more vain Virgins” in the ballad opera
‘Love in a Riddle’, but the tune doesn’t sound much like “Ally
Croker” to me, and Chappell did not give the ballad opera tune.
Code of tune in ballad opera is Gc 2/2 5L111 227L2. An untitled
tune, #2 in BO/Brittons Strike Home has also been identified as
“Ally Croker” but codes: Ac 4/4 (4) 1111 227L2, “Maggy Lawder”.
Change from “Croker” to “Croaker” was evidently in S. Foote’s
play ‘An Englishman in Paris’, 1753. Tune is that for Wm
Collins’ “Golden days of good Queen Bess”, G. Colman’s
“Unfortunate Miss Bailey” and S. Woodworth’s “The Hunters of

Larry Grogan, X:2

This is the setting from O’Neill’s 1001 (#132). It’s in G major (which would explain the incongruous F naturals in the previous setting; I assume that was just a mistaken key signature?).

Re: Larry Grogan

The F naturals are an integral part of the tune, but I think the original setting by JD above is mistakenly given in G minor (as Ian Farley pointed out), especially as the setting in Aird volume 1 is in G major.

Re: Larry Grogan

This also appears in Riley’s Flute Melodies of 1817.

Re: Larry Grogan

Larry Grogan was a gentleman piper from County Wexford who lived in the early decades of the 18th century. His family’s ‘seat’ was Johnstown castle just outside of Wexford. He is credited with the composition of this jig and a number of other tunes including Allie Croker. This tune may well be the ‘source’ tune for the ‘Humours of Ennistymon’ family of related tunes, Coppers and Brasses etc…his compositions were (posthumously) published in Britain from the 1740s onwards.