## Seventeen comments

I think this may be the waltz that was the subject of a recent thread. I haven’t submitted a tune before, so let me know if I screwed it up.

I forgot to mention that I found it on Henrik Norbeck’s web site.

### What Luck

I listened to this piece off the Celtic Fiddle Festival "Encore" CD this morning and decided that I would transcribe it this evening. I love this site - thanks for posting the tune.

Mark

### Mrs. Kenny’s

This is more how I learned it and it’s worked when I played it with anyone. My main difference is with the middle part I think.

X: 1

T: Mrs. Kenny’s

M: 3/4

L: 1/8

R: waltz

K: Dmaj|de||f3 e dc|d2 d2 FG|(3ABA G3 E|A,2 C2 E2|(3gag (3fgf (3efe|(3ded (3cdc (3BcB|A2 AB AG|F2 G2 A2|

|f2 fe dc|d2 d2 FG|A2 G3 E|A,2 C2 E2|(3gag (3fgf (3efe|(3ded (3cdc (3BcB|A2 AB cA|d2 d2||

cB|:A2 [d2f2] [d2f2]|A2 [d2f2] [d2f2]|A2 [d2f2] [d2f2]|a^g ba ge|

A2 [c2e2] [c2e2]|A2 [c2e2] [c2e2]|1 A2 [c2e2] [c2e2]|a^g ba ge:|2 ab ag fe|d4||

Ac||d2 df ed| (3cdc c2 ec|(3BcB ^G2 B2|A2 F2 D2|d2 df ed|c2 c2 FG|A2 G3 E|D4 Ac|

d3 fd|c3 ec|(3BcB ^G2 B2|A2 F2 D2|d3 fd|c3 FG|A2 G3 E|D4||

I first got it from a recording by fiddler Johnny Duffy and then a few years later heard Coleman’s version and tweaked how I play it from that. Theirs’ aren’t very different and they both repeat the A the first time through.

If slurred in some way that keeps a good beat, the triplets in the A part don’t sound schmaltzy at all.

### Some bars are 5/8…? - for example: |d3 fd | c3 ec |

I know I submitted some version of this previously, some take on it, but that must have been a tune duplication that Jeremy discovered and purged, which is no longer with us. Here’s another take on it, basic and minus all the possible ‘triplets’, double-stops and 5/8 bars, some making a show elsewhere here. There’s some added content adjustment taken from transcriptions of wind players for the benefit of ‘others’ limited to the ‘D’ below the staff, for example, instead of | A,2 C2 E2 |, already in submission, I’ve exchanged that for | A2 c2 e2 |, which was transcribed from the playing of a fully keyed flute with a low and fully functioning Bb foot…

Mrs. Kenny’s Waltz

|: {e-} f3 e dc | d4 FG | A2 G3 E | A2 c2 e2 |

g2 f2 e2 | d2 c2 B2 |1 A3 B AG | F2 G2 A2 :|

2 A3 B cA | d4 cB ||

|: Ad f2 f2 | Ad f2 f2 | Ad f2 f2 | a^g ba fd |

Ac e2 e2 | Ac e2 e2 |1 Ac e2 e2 | a^g ba fd :|

2 ab ag fe | d4 FA ||

|: d4 ed | c4 dc | B2 G2 B2 | A2 F2 D2 |

d4 ed | c4 B2 | A2 G2 E2 | D4 FA |

d2 d2 FA | c2 c2 FA | B2 G2 B2 | A2 F2 D2 |

d4 cB (ed) | c4 B2 | A2 G2 E2 | D6 ||

But say you want to roll down hill the last four bars ~

| (3ded c2 (3BcB | (3cdc (3cdc (3BcB | (3ABA (3GAG (3EFE | (3DED- D4 ||

Variation on part-C, first two bars, FA repeats: | d4 FA | c4 FA |

Another transcription is available here:

"Matt Cunningham’s Dance Music of Ireland" ~ page 22

Dave Mallinson Music, 1999

ISBN 1-899512-45-4

Oops! ~ That repeat sign that begins the third part of the tune should not be there… It should just read, with a few triplets and variations thrown in this time, since it is being repeated ~

||

d4 ed | c4 dc | (3BcB G2 B2 | (3ABA F2 D2 |

d3 d ed | c4 B2 | (3ABA G2 (3EFE | D3 D FA |

(3ded d2 FA | (3cdc c2 FA | B2 (3GAG B2 | A2 (3FGF D2 |

dF (3ddd ed | cE (3ccc dc | (3BcB A2 (3GFE | D6 ||

Also, previously, for bar 13 of this third part I’d written:

| d4 cB (ed) | ~ that’s two alternate takes on that third beat:

| d4 cB | ~ or ~ | d4 ed | ~ having heard and played both…

### Correction to 5/8’s in my version

d3’s and c3’s in the last half of the third part should be d4 and c4. Thanks. I’ve patched my local copy.

### Correction to 5/8’s in edl version above

X: 2

T: Mrs. Kenny’s

M: 3/4

L: 1/8

R: waltz

K: D Major

de |\

f3 e dc | d2 d2 FG | (3ABA G3 E | A,2 C2 E2 |

(3gag (3fgf (3efe | (3ded (3cdc (3BcB | A2 AB AG | F2 G2 A2 |

f2 fe dc | d2 d2 FG | A2 G3 E | A,2 C2 E2 |

(3gag (3fgf (3efe | (3ded (3cdc (3BcB | A2 AB cA | d2 d2 ||

cB |:\

A2 [d2f2] [d2f2] | A2 [d2f2] [d2f2] | A2 [d2f2] [d2f2]|a^g ba ge|

A2 [c2e2] [c2e2] | A2 [c2e2] [c2e2] |[1 A2 [c2e2] [c2e2] | a^g ba ge :|

[2 ab ag fe | d4 ||

Ac |\

d2 df ed | (3cdc c2 ec | (3BcB ^G2 B2 | A2 F2 D2 |

d2 df ed | c2 c2 FG | A2 G3 E | D4 Ac |

d4 fd | c4 ec | (3BcB ^G2 B2 | A2 F2 D2 |

d4 fd | c4 FG | A2 G3 E | D4 |]

# Posted on July 2nd 2005 by edl

~ or, other possibilities ~ (Solutions to edl’s 5/8 bars)

d3 f ed | c3 e dc | (3BcB ^G2 B2 | A2 F2 D2 |

d3 f ed | c3 E FG | A2 G3 E | D4 |]

### Daly/Gavin version from “The Irish RM”

T: Mrs. Kenny’s

T: Mrs. Crotty’s

M: 3/4

L: 1/8

R: waltz

S: as played by Jacky Daly, Frankie Gavin et al in the incidental music (arr. Nick Bicât) for the Channel 4 TV series "The Irish RM" (cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irish_R.M.) in the early 1980s - released as an album by Ritz records (Ritz LP0011) in 1982

K: Dmaj

FA|f3 e dc|d4 FG|A2 G2 E2|A2 c2 e2 & A,2 C2 E2|g2 f2 e2|d2 c2 B2|

~A3 B AG|F2 FG ^GA|f3 e dc|d4 FG|A2 G2 E2|A2 c2 e2 & A,2 C2 E2|g2 f2 e2|

d2 c2 B2|~A3 A Bc|d4:|]cB[|:Ad f2 f2|Ad f2 f2|Ad f2 f2|a^g ba ge|

Ac e2 e2|Ac e2 e2|1 Ac e2 e2|a^g ba ge:|]2 ab ag fe|d4|]

|:FA|d3 e dB|c4 dc|B2 G2 B2|A2 F2 D2|d3 e dB|1c4 BA|A2 G2 E2|D4:|]

|2c4 (3BcB|~A3 A Bc|d4:|]

### Ps

Oh, and I should have included an N: filed to say:

N: quaver pairs to be played slightly swung (long-short), similar to hornpipe feel (notes inégales).

### Daly/Gavin version from “The Irish RM” - Corrections

Agh - missed some typos in the above - particularly I failed to revert G#s to G nats in two bars! Sorry for the multiple posts - please edit the redundant ones above and this wording out!

T: Mrs. Kenny’s

T: Mrs. Crotty’s

M: 3/4

L: 1/8

Q: 192 (crotchet beat)

R: waltz

S: as played by Jacky Daly, Frankie Gavin et al in the incidental music (arr. Nick Bicât) for the Channel 4 TV series "The Irish RM" (cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irish_R.M.) in the early 1980s - released as an album by Ritz records (Ritz LP0011) in 1982

N: quaver pairs to be played slightly swung (long-short), similar to hornpipe feel (notes inégales).

K: Dmaj

FA|f3 e dc|d4 FG|A2 G2 E2|A2 c2 e2 & A,2 C2 E2|g2 f2 e2|d2 c2 B2|~A3 B AG|

F2 FG ^GA|f3 e dc|d4 FG|A2 G2 E2|A2 c2 e2 & A,2 C2 E2|g2 f2 e2|d2 c2 B2|~A3 A Bc|

d4:|]cB[|:Ad f2 f2|Ad f2 f2|Ad f2 f2|a^g ba =ge|Ac e2 e2|Ac e2 e2|1

Ac e2 e2|a^g ba =ge:|]2 ab ag fe|d4|]|:FA|d3 e dB|c4 dc|

B2 G3 B|A2 F2 D2|d3 e dB|1c4 (3BcB|A2 G2 E2|D4:|]|2c4 (3BcB|~A3 A Bc|d4|]

The transcription is more from aural recollection than from careful listening to the recording, so may not be note for note…. and the tempo suggestion is mine - I haven’t tried to check their speed on the LP.

### Correction

….and another slip up belatedly spotted! The A music should not have a repeat sign at its end - just play it the once. The B and C musics do repeat - but are half the length (without repeats)

" similar to hornpipe feel " that’s because it’s a Mazurka, rather than a waltz…

### Recording of the waltz

No, it’s not exactly a mazurka… It is ~ waltz / varsouvienne / waltz…

### “Victoria Valse” ~ B: “Köhler’s Violin Repository Book I”, 1881-1885

Submitted on June 24th 2012 by ceolachan.

https://thesession.org/tunes/12014

All in the family…

### A confused reference?

Randy Miller and Jack Perron, in their carefully notated collection ‘Irish Traditional Fiddle Music’, print a setting of this tune under the name ‘Men of the West’, citing its source as waltz medley on a 1934 Michael Coleman recording and saying that on the recording the tune is followed by ‘Mrs. Kenney’. Anyone want to straighten this out?