## Nineteen comments

I think this may be the waltz that was the subject of a recent thread. I haven’t submitted a tune before, so let me know if I screwed it up.

I forgot to mention that I found it on Henrik Norbeck’s web site.

### What Luck

I listened to this piece off the Celtic Fiddle Festival "Encore" CD this morning and decided that I would transcribe it this evening. I love this site - thanks for posting the tune.

Mark

### Mrs. Kenny’s

This is more how I learned it and it’s worked when I played it with anyone. My main difference is with the middle part I think.

X: 1

T: Mrs. Kenny’s

M: 3/4

L: 1/8

R: waltz

K: Dmaj|de||f3 e dc|d2 d2 FG|(3ABA G3 E|A,2 C2 E2|(3gag (3fgf (3efe|(3ded (3cdc (3BcB|A2 AB AG|F2 G2 A2|

|f2 fe dc|d2 d2 FG|A2 G3 E|A,2 C2 E2|(3gag (3fgf (3efe|(3ded (3cdc (3BcB|A2 AB cA|d2 d2||

cB|:A2 [d2f2] [d2f2]|A2 [d2f2] [d2f2]|A2 [d2f2] [d2f2]|a^g ba ge|

A2 [c2e2] [c2e2]|A2 [c2e2] [c2e2]|1 A2 [c2e2] [c2e2]|a^g ba ge:|2 ab ag fe|d4||

Ac||d2 df ed| (3cdc c2 ec|(3BcB ^G2 B2|A2 F2 D2|d2 df ed|c2 c2 FG|A2 G3 E|D4 Ac|

d3 fd|c3 ec|(3BcB ^G2 B2|A2 F2 D2|d3 fd|c3 FG|A2 G3 E|D4||

I first got it from a recording by fiddler Johnny Duffy and then a few years later heard Coleman’s version and tweaked how I play it from that. Theirs’ aren’t very different and they both repeat the A the first time through.

If slurred in some way that keeps a good beat, the triplets in the A part don’t sound schmaltzy at all.

### Some bars are 5/8…? - for example: |d3 fd | c3 ec |

I know I submitted some version of this previously, some take on it, but that must have been a tune duplication that Jeremy discovered and purged, which is no longer with us. Here’s another take on it, basic and minus all the possible ‘triplets’, double-stops and 5/8 bars, some making a show elsewhere here. There’s some added content adjustment taken from transcriptions of wind players for the benefit of ‘others’ limited to the ‘D’ below the staff, for example, instead of | A,2 C2 E2 |, already in submission, I’ve exchanged that for | A2 c2 e2 |, which was transcribed from the playing of a fully keyed flute with a low and fully functioning Bb foot…

Mrs. Kenny’s Waltz

|: {e-} f3 e dc | d4 FG | A2 G3 E | A2 c2 e2 |

g2 f2 e2 | d2 c2 B2 |1 A3 B AG | F2 G2 A2 :|

2 A3 B cA | d4 cB ||

|: Ad f2 f2 | Ad f2 f2 | Ad f2 f2 | a^g ba fd |

Ac e2 e2 | Ac e2 e2 |1 Ac e2 e2 | a^g ba fd :|

2 ab ag fe | d4 FA ||

|: d4 ed | c4 dc | B2 G2 B2 | A2 F2 D2 |

d4 ed | c4 B2 | A2 G2 E2 | D4 FA |

d2 d2 FA | c2 c2 FA | B2 G2 B2 | A2 F2 D2 |

d4 cB (ed) | c4 B2 | A2 G2 E2 | D6 ||

But say you want to roll down hill the last four bars ~

| (3ded c2 (3BcB | (3cdc (3cdc (3BcB | (3ABA (3GAG (3EFE | (3DED- D4 ||

Variation on part-C, first two bars, FA repeats: | d4 FA | c4 FA |

Another transcription is available here:

"Matt Cunningham’s Dance Music of Ireland" ~ page 22

Dave Mallinson Music, 1999

ISBN 1-899512-45-4

Oops! ~ That repeat sign that begins the third part of the tune should not be there… It should just read, with a few triplets and variations thrown in this time, since it is being repeated ~

||

d4 ed | c4 dc | (3BcB G2 B2 | (3ABA F2 D2 |

d3 d ed | c4 B2 | (3ABA G2 (3EFE | D3 D FA |

(3ded d2 FA | (3cdc c2 FA | B2 (3GAG B2 | A2 (3FGF D2 |

dF (3ddd ed | cE (3ccc dc | (3BcB A2 (3GFE | D6 ||

Also, previously, for bar 13 of this third part I’d written:

| d4 cB (ed) | ~ that’s two alternate takes on that third beat:

| d4 cB | ~ or ~ | d4 ed | ~ having heard and played both…

### Correction to 5/8’s in my version

d3’s and c3’s in the last half of the third part should be d4 and c4. Thanks. I’ve patched my local copy.

### Correction to 5/8’s in edl version above

X: 2

T: Mrs. Kenny’s

M: 3/4

L: 1/8

R: waltz

K: D Major

de |\

f3 e dc | d2 d2 FG | (3ABA G3 E | A,2 C2 E2 |

(3gag (3fgf (3efe | (3ded (3cdc (3BcB | A2 AB AG | F2 G2 A2 |

f2 fe dc | d2 d2 FG | A2 G3 E | A,2 C2 E2 |

(3gag (3fgf (3efe | (3ded (3cdc (3BcB | A2 AB cA | d2 d2 ||

cB |:\

A2 [d2f2] [d2f2] | A2 [d2f2] [d2f2] | A2 [d2f2] [d2f2]|a^g ba ge|

A2 [c2e2] [c2e2] | A2 [c2e2] [c2e2] |[1 A2 [c2e2] [c2e2] | a^g ba ge :|

[2 ab ag fe | d4 ||

Ac |\

d2 df ed | (3cdc c2 ec | (3BcB ^G2 B2 | A2 F2 D2 |

d2 df ed | c2 c2 FG | A2 G3 E | D4 Ac |

d4 fd | c4 ec | (3BcB ^G2 B2 | A2 F2 D2 |

d4 fd | c4 FG | A2 G3 E | D4 |]

# Posted on July 2nd 2005 by edl

~ or, other possibilities ~ (Solutions to edl’s 5/8 bars)

d3 f ed | c3 e dc | (3BcB ^G2 B2 | A2 F2 D2 |

d3 f ed | c3 E FG | A2 G3 E | D4 |]

### Daly/Gavin version from “The Irish RM”

T: Mrs. Kenny’s

T: Mrs. Crotty’s

M: 3/4

L: 1/8

R: waltz

S: as played by Jacky Daly, Frankie Gavin et al in the incidental music (arr. Nick Bicât) for the Channel 4 TV series "The Irish RM" (cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irish_R.M.) in the early 1980s - released as an album by Ritz records (Ritz LP0011) in 1982

K: Dmaj

FA|f3 e dc|d4 FG|A2 G2 E2|A2 c2 e2 & A,2 C2 E2|g2 f2 e2|d2 c2 B2|

~A3 B AG|F2 FG ^GA|f3 e dc|d4 FG|A2 G2 E2|A2 c2 e2 & A,2 C2 E2|g2 f2 e2|

d2 c2 B2|~A3 A Bc|d4:|]cB[|:Ad f2 f2|Ad f2 f2|Ad f2 f2|a^g ba ge|

Ac e2 e2|Ac e2 e2|1 Ac e2 e2|a^g ba ge:|]2 ab ag fe|d4|]

|:FA|d3 e dB|c4 dc|B2 G2 B2|A2 F2 D2|d3 e dB|1c4 BA|A2 G2 E2|D4:|]

|2c4 (3BcB|~A3 A Bc|d4:|]

### Ps

Oh, and I should have included an N: filed to say:

N: quaver pairs to be played slightly swung (long-short), similar to hornpipe feel (notes inégales).

### Daly/Gavin version from “The Irish RM” - Corrections

Agh - missed some typos in the above - particularly I failed to revert G#s to G nats in two bars! Sorry for the multiple posts - please edit the redundant ones above and this wording out!

T: Mrs. Kenny’s

T: Mrs. Crotty’s

M: 3/4

L: 1/8

Q: 192 (crotchet beat)

R: waltz

S: as played by Jacky Daly, Frankie Gavin et al in the incidental music (arr. Nick Bicât) for the Channel 4 TV series "The Irish RM" (cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irish_R.M.) in the early 1980s - released as an album by Ritz records (Ritz LP0011) in 1982

N: quaver pairs to be played slightly swung (long-short), similar to hornpipe feel (notes inégales).

K: Dmaj

FA|f3 e dc|d4 FG|A2 G2 E2|A2 c2 e2 & A,2 C2 E2|g2 f2 e2|d2 c2 B2|~A3 B AG|

F2 FG ^GA|f3 e dc|d4 FG|A2 G2 E2|A2 c2 e2 & A,2 C2 E2|g2 f2 e2|d2 c2 B2|~A3 A Bc|

d4:|]cB[|:Ad f2 f2|Ad f2 f2|Ad f2 f2|a^g ba =ge|Ac e2 e2|Ac e2 e2|1

Ac e2 e2|a^g ba =ge:|]2 ab ag fe|d4|]|:FA|d3 e dB|c4 dc|

B2 G3 B|A2 F2 D2|d3 e dB|1c4 (3BcB|A2 G2 E2|D4:|]|2c4 (3BcB|~A3 A Bc|d4|]

The transcription is more from aural recollection than from careful listening to the recording, so may not be note for note…. and the tempo suggestion is mine - I haven’t tried to check their speed on the LP.

### Correction

….and another slip up belatedly spotted! The A music should not have a repeat sign at its end - just play it the once. The B and C musics do repeat - but are half the length (without repeats)

" similar to hornpipe feel " that’s because it’s a Mazurka, rather than a waltz…

### Recording of the waltz

No, it’s not exactly a mazurka… It is ~ waltz / varsouvienne / waltz…

### “Victoria Valse” ~ B: “Köhler’s Violin Repository Book I”, 1881-1885

Submitted on June 24th 2012 by ceolachan.

https://thesession.org/tunes/12014

All in the family…

### A confused reference?

Randy Miller and Jack Perron, in their carefully notated collection ‘Irish Traditional Fiddle Music’, print a setting of this tune under the name ‘Men of the West’, citing its source as waltz medley on a 1934 Michael Coleman recording and saying that on the recording the tune is followed by ‘Mrs. Kenney’. Anyone want to straighten this out?

### Re: Mrs. Kinney’s

I think Miller and Perron have the tunes and names the wrong way round. In the Coleman recording I know he plays this tune, ‘Mrs Kenney’s’, first, then goes into ‘The Men of the West’. ‘The Men of the West’ is the name of a song composed by William Rooney to the tune often called ‘Rosin the Beau’; the tune’s a familiar one used to carry many other texts, including ‘The Boys of Kilmichael’.

### Re: Mrs. Kinney’s

To be fair to Mr Miller and Mr Perron, I note that the tunes are listed that way round (‘Men of the West’ then ‘Mrs Kenny’s) on ITMA’s digital library entry for the Coleman track:

https://www.itma.ie/digital-library/sound/cid-232152

Maybe they were the wrong way round on the original record label? Wouldn’t be unknown.

Either way, ‘Men of the West’ is definitely the second one you hear on the recording.