This Is My Love, Do You Like Her? jig

I’ve included chords here not just for guitarists, but also as an indication for fiddlers as to where some double-stops might sound good. The long E at the start, for instance, could be played together with a B, and the Ds and As could played together with an open D string.

A nice effect with double-stops is to start a bit flat, and slide the shape up. Don’t go overboard with double-stops, though: moderation is the key.

Because this tune sounds nice played slowly, and because there are such long notes in it, there’s plenty of room for rolls and triplets. In fact, I like to use this tune as a testing ground for trying out all different kinds of ornamentation.

I first heard this jig as a comic song sung by the late Fermanagh fiddler Mick Hoy. Unfortunately, I never got the words. I remember part of a verse sung to the high part of the tune. As follies:

The lassies, ye see, they were tickling me
There was one called Molly McCusker
And when trying to kiss me on the kisser, ye see,
Sure, she bit off the half of my whiskers.

Any body ever hear of this and have the words?

Source: Patsy Hanly
Transcription: g.m.p.

Sounds like a version of one of the slides: "I Found My Love In The Morning", "My Love In The Morning", or "This Is My Love, Do You Like Her?"

I psted the tune as Gan Ainm becouse I don’t know the title.
Indeed it is very similar to "my love in the morning", but it doesn’t seem to me a slide. Do you think I should change "gan ainm"
in "my love in the morning" ?

because because because because because because because

Becouse what? :-)
Isn’t your version just the slide played as a jig?

This tune crops up in various guises around Ireland and Scotland. In Kerry, it’s a slide. Elsewhere it might be a single jig - or even a double jig, if a few notes are added in here and there.

Johnny Doherty had a verion which he called Kiss the Maid Behind the Bier (see ‘Fiddle Music of Donegal’ in the Links section of The Session). In Scotland, I believe they call it ‘Culcrevie’ - or is it ‘Kilcrevie’?

The first slide I ever learned…from a Bothy Band LP. We have just revived it..great tune.

Michael Tubridy’s "Eagle’s Whistle" album has this tune on it, however he plays with a "C" whistle, so I learned it in Gmin. Very lovely, it has a bit more darker tone to it than the Amin.

this is the version (setting?) as played by john wynne on ‘with every breath’

X: 1
T: This Is My Love, Do You Like Her?
S: j. wynne
M: 12/8
L: 1/8
R: slide
K: Ador
|:ABA AGE c3 d3|ege ede g3 e2a|
age gfe dBG GAB|1 cBA BGE A2B c2B:|2 cBA BGE ABA A2z||
||aba age g2g ged|eaa age g2g eaa|
|age gfe dBG GAB|cBA BGE ABA A2z|
|aba age gea ged|eaa age g2g e2a|
|age g2g dBG GAB|c3 B3 A2B c2B||

mm

SIMILAR TO
https://thesession.org/tunes/1680

very much so, gian …
mm

This is a version of a tune I know as I Lost My Love . Now where did I learn it. I think it was already in the repertoire of a band I used to play with when I joined. I have a feeling that it may appear in that old collection Allan’s Irish Fiddler, but I’m too lazy to look for my copy to check. Anyway, grand tune.

Oh, yes. I play in in Am, not Em.

Not just similar, with that very little difference it is the same tune, whatever name or identity you give it…
.

~ the same but called a slide…
Key signature: A Dorian
Submitted on June 30th 2003 by nobu.

Another name for this in Scotland and even in good ol’ Eire, so I’ve been told…

This - in it’s "Culcrevie" manifestation - is widely known as "I Iost my love and I care not", from the words of a Thomas Moore (I think) song which it was used for.

As well as the link ceolachan has given above, Jeremy posted an E minor setting under the title of Bundle And Go very early in thesession.org’s history @ https://thesession.org/tunes/6.

Go here for a setting in E minor posted under the title of Bundle And Go https://thesession.org/tunes/6.

Sounds like ‘I Love You Not And I Care Not’ from Brian McNamara’s ‘Fort of the Jewels’. Not exactly the same but very very similar.

A Dorian Dow ~ :-P

Yup!

Yeah :-)

A dorian is a minor mode though.

But yeah :-)

But yeah, oh but, oh but, but yeah, but, yeah ~

Do you get "Little Britain" in Oz, or has the great wizard outlawed such things?

Yeah we do but anyway Destiny who used to be my best friend till she flicked cigarette ash in my hair has it on DVD but don’t borrow it off her because you’ll get the lergy because she totally picks her own scabs and smells of wee.

I don’t think I want to sit near her at anytime either, and if you know which seat she sticks to, let me know so I can avoid it…

Is she another one of your English concertina playing pals? :-P

She probably doesn’t shave and plays "Give me Your Hand" anytime she gets an opening…and does a bad imitation of Joni Mitchell if given the opportunity to sing…

I gotta ask….is the title a promise or a threat?
:-)

Will, that’s funny, that was the exact same thing I thought…are you bragging or complaining?

And for the record…I got this tune from a friend in Portand who I think learned it from someone in Chico, CA. The only mention I can find of this tune is on a CD by the Pub Scouts, an Irish trad band based in Chico.

"Bundle And Go"
Key signature: E Dorian
Submitted on May 17th 2001 by Jeremy

"My Love in the Morning"
Key signature: A Dorian
Submitted on May 20th 2003 by gian marco.

"This Is My Love, Do You Like Her?"
Key signature: A Dorian
Submitted on June 30th 2003 by nobu.

"Bundle And Go"
Key signature: E Dorian
Submitted on May 17th 2001 by Jeremy

"My Love in the Morning"
Key signature: A Dorian
Submitted on May 20th 2003 by gian marco.

"She Never Would Leave Me"
Key signature: E Dorian
Submitted on July 23rd 2008 by crazy_fingerz.

Here’s a transcription from the playing of Jimmy Doyle, Kerry button accordion player. The tune is also track 6 on the album:

"Jimmy Doyle & Dan O’Leary: Traditional Music From The Kingdom Of Kerry"
https://thesession.org/recordings/display/1247

X: 5
T: Cronin’s Jig
S: Jimmy Doyle
M: 12/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K: Ador
|: ABc AGE | c2 B c2 d | efg edB | g2 g gfg |
eaf g/a/ge | d/e/dB G2 A | B/c/Be dBG |[1 A2 B c/d/cB :|[2 ABA ABd ||
|: e2 a age | dgg gfg | eab age- | egg gfg |
eae g/a/ge | d/e/dB G2 A |[1 ABA ABd :|[2 A2 B c2 B |]

First, the B-part above is missing bar 7: | B/c/Be dBG |[1~

& here’s more ~

X: 6
T: Cronin’s Jig
S: Jimmy Doyle
M: 12/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K: Ador
|: ABc AGE | c2 B c2 d | efg edB | g2 g gfg |
eae g2 e | dBA G2 A | B2 e dBG |[1 A2 B c2 B :|[2 ABA ABd ||
|:e2 a age | dgg gfg | eab age | g2 g gfg |
eae g/a/ge | dBA G/A/GA |[1 BeB dBG | ABA ABd :|[2 BAB dBG | A3 c2 B |]

I love this tune. I learned it in the key of DMaj (or some strange Irish alternate D scale…I’ll leave it to the theory experts) and it was called Old Commrades.

PTW

Is it the same as Con Curtin’s Frolics on one of the Denis Doody CDs?

I’ve never heard it played in B but it can be done; here’s a transposition based on the Bothy Band’s version.

X: 1
T: Bundle And Go
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K:Bmin
|:B2B BAF|d3 def|e2e efe|a3 f2b|
afd def|edB ABc|dcB cBA|1 dB2 BAF:|2 dBB Bdf|
|:b2b baf|a3 f2a|b2b baf|a3 f2b|
afd def|edB ABc|dcB cBA|1 dBB Bdf:|2 dB2 BAF ||

That would be fun ‘rumbled’ ~

|:B,2 B, B,^A,B, | D3 DEF | E2 E EFE | A3 F2 B | ~

This is a lovely jig. Aoife plays it very strongly, almost as a march. It is from a Dingle Wren tune, which is a variant of I Lost My Love (in Am, posted).
It was transposed from Eb and transcribed by Paul de Grae.

A Dingle Wren tune to my ears.

x post

Thanks Kenny, I was sure it was already here but was having hell finding it… A Dorian was next… :-D

& no wonder ~ https://thesession.org/tunes/6

Submitted on August 7th 2012 by David Levine.
~ /tunes/12117

X: 5
T: Old Comrades
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K: Gmaj
|: G/F/ |\
EFE EDE | G3- G2 B | ABA AGA | ~d3 ~e3 |
dBA GAB | ABA DEF | GFE FED | E3- E2 :|
|: d |\
e2 e edB | ~d3 dBd | e2 e edB | ~d3 g2 e |
dBG GAB | ABA DEF | GFE FED | E3- E2 :|

From Aoife Granville’s "Sraid Eoin Shuffle"
This is a lovely jig. Aoife plays it very strongly, almost as a march. It is from a Dingle Wren tune, which is a variant of I Lost My Love (in Am, posted).

It was transposed from Eb and transcribed by Paul de Grae.

# Posted on August 7th 2012 by David Levine

E Dorian is also the key I suspect for David Levine’s transcription above, though it was added as G Major…

X: 5
T: Bundle and Go
T: Old Comrades
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K: EDor
|: B,2 D |\
EFE EDE | G3 G2 B | ABA AFA | d3 d2 e |
dBG GAB | AFD DEF | GFE FED | E3 :|
|: BB/c/d |\
efe edB | d2 d dB/c/d | e2 e edB | d3 B2 e |
dBG GBd | AFD D2 F | GG/F/E FED | E3 :|

Is it not a close relative to this?

X: 1
T: Segmented Jig
S: "Sully’s Irish Music Book"
L: 1/8
M: 6/8
R: jig
K: Ador
A3 AGE|c3 d3|e3 edB|g3 e2g|
age g2e|dBG GAB|cBA BAG|A3 A3 :|
a3 age|g3 ged|e2a aga|ged e2g|
age g2e|dBG GAB|cBA BAG|A3 A3 :|

Sounds like the ‘Segmented Jig’ or close. Is it not a close relative to this?

X: 6
T: Segmented Jig
S: "Sully’s Irish Music Book"
L: 1/8
M: 6/8
R: jig
K: Ador
|: A3 AGE | c3 d3 | e3 edB | g3 e2 g |
age g2 e | dBG GAB | cBA BAG | A3 A3 :|
|: a3 age | g3 ged | e2 a aga | ged e2 g |
age g2 e | dBG GAB | cBA BAG | A3 A3 :|

# Posted on August 8th 2012 by Toppish

This seems very familiar to me and it may well be here in different key etc. but the trusty Rev’s search doesn’t turn up much. Feels like a slide to me?? Key of E?

Ah, just ignore this - just my recollection and not a partic accurate one of a tune called ‘Old Comrades’ which is here already

Still puzzling as this is definitely the version, I’ve picked up somewhere… lord knows where?

The version I seem to have in my head..

X: 1
T: Old Comrades
M: 12/8
L: 1/8
R: slide
K: Emin
G2 F| E2 E EDE G3 GAB| A2 A AGA d3 dBd|e2 e edB d2 d dBG|A2 A AFD E3:|
(3Bcd|e2 e edB d2 d dBd|e2 e edB A3 ABd|e2 e edB d2 d dBG|A2 A AFD E3:|

Submitted on August 7th 2012 by David Levine.

~ basically of the same root…

It is here as something I believe. I know the tune from hearing the Sraíd Eoin Wren play it.

Here it is, submitted as a jig:

https://thesession.org/tunes/12117#sheetmusic

I got this tune from Oirialla, the new album from Gerry (Fiddle) O’Connor, Gilles le Bigot, Nuala Kennedy and Martin Quinn.

The sleeve notes say:

"I Lost My Love And Care Not was sourced from a recording of the McCusker Brothers Ceili Band made by Peter Kennedy in Kilcreevy, Armagh and Belfast in July 1952."

Oooh! I quite like this midi file. It sounds funky. It isn’t what the dots say however and it isn’t how the tune goes. Where I tied the notes in the manuscript the midi file has opted to play a chord. That isn’t right and is, perhaps, a good example of why people should treat the midi files with caution.

I did search for the tune first, both by name and by playing an excerpt into Tunepal and it didn’t come up. I see it is now also down as "My Love In the Morning".

Jeremy - How do you want to handle duplications from now on? Should I repost it as a setting in the other tune myself and wait for this one to be deleted as previously or is there an easy way to move the tune across?

And I see the same tune appears on the site in multiple places, initially posted by Jeremy as "Bundle and Go" but in Em. There is also a slide version.

Does the new look site give increased options for handling tunes like this?

I think there may be an ABC syntax issue.
ABC Explorer displays and produces MIDI for |c3 c2-d| as it would |c3 c2 d|
To get what the sheetmusic here shows it needs |c3 (c2 d)| but it plays that as |c3 c2 d|
Not what you want, but it displays |c3 c2-c| with a tie and plays it as |c3 c3|.

An ABC guru may be able to explain which is right.

I am not too worried about it. The sheet music is correct. If the midi generating app doesn’t interpret that correctly then that is not my fault. I am not going to make the sheet music incorrect just to satisfy a midi file.

The sheet music here may be right, but the ABC may be wrong and so may not result in what you mean when used in other converters. See http://abcnotation.com/wiki/abc:standard:v2.1#ties_and_slurs

(I often confuse the two and have to look it up)

Ok. I have amended the ABCs and I see the sheet music is still displaying correctly so I am ok with that. It seems that I can’t listen to the midi file here in work though as the computer is missing the requisite Quicktime plugin. I will presume that that has addressed the issue though.

The second part makes me think a lot sort of "jig" version of the Ballydesmond polka (https://thesession.org/tunes/239)

X:14
I learnt this tune back in the 1980s from a fiddler, the late Barry Morgan. The chord settings are Barry’s.

If any of you have a copy of William Winter’s Quantocks Tunebook, you may have noticed a drawing of a fiddler on the front cover. That’s Barry.

S: “Jimmy Doyle & Dan O’Leary: Traditional Music From The Kingdom Of Kerry”
https://thesession.org/recordings/1247
track 6 & other ways with it from the playing of Jimmy Doyle, button accordion…

I have also learned this one direct as well from other living sources and situations where the average tempos varied from 120 to 140 bpm (1 beat = three quavers/eighth notes)…

Seems there’s are lots of variations of this tune (essentially same tune) and its known by many different names. There’s also many different tunes all called "Bundle and Go, but this is the one I associate with that name. Anyway; thought I’d add yet another version of ‘this tune’ ! ( here called "This is my Love" etc!)
Decided to work out what I played after hearing a very close version on North Cregg’s CD, there called "Jonny Mick Dinny’s" .
Turns out to be very close to Jeremy’s original 13 year old posting. But I find it easier to think of of it in Edor ie. with a D key signature, (rather than the Em / G key as o.p) as it can easily be played on a single row D scale melodion (an Edor scale ‘pulled’ on the D row) or for that matter on a D whistle starting on the E.
X:1
T:This Is My Love, Do You Like Her?
T:Bundle and Go
T:Jonny Mick Dinny’s
R:jig
M:6/8
L:1/8
K:Edor
|:"Em"E2E EDB,|"G"G2G GAB|"D"A2A ABA|d3 d2e|
dBG GAB|AGE DEF|"G"GFE "D"FED|"Em"E3 E3:|
|:"Em"e2e edB|"D"d3 def|"Em"e2e edB|"D"d3 d2e|
dBG GAB|AGE DEF|"G"GFE "D"FED|"Em"E3 E3:|

This jig, recorded by John Doherty as "Kiss the maid behind the bier" on his album "Bundle and Go", is also played as a Sliabh Luachra-style slide called "The Templeglantine Slide". I learned it from Jackie Daly who plays it in key A minor. Interesting connections between Donegal and Sliabh Luachra!

A setting I heard at a session here in Austin, and found via TunePal but wasn’t here on TheSession.org.

Found a version of this tune on a Franz Sanger & Susan Frances album called "Instrumental", with the name "Kiss The Maid Behind The Bar".

Sounds a bit like a variation on the above ….

There’s a version of this on "Session At The Cottage" by Dan Compton and Fran Slefer, under the name "Bundle And Go":

https://open.spotify.com/track/01AWE1KE5MzpBOAanTHm7M

Pat Sullivan’s squeeze!

This is the tune Ímar call "Jimmy Mick Dinny’s" on their album "Afterlight".

This is a Newfoundland variant, called Pussycat up the Plum Tree, transcribed, at the request of NfldWhistler, from this clip https://youtu.be/jcEw_9K3EIg @1:20 .

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Newfoundland variant. Transposed to Ador, as played by Shanneyganock @ 1:12:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oCe-JMz1Do

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Some variations from Shanneyganock (Mark Hiscock on the accordion). Some are not always played through the recording. The "g3 g2d" might actually be "g5 d", but "g3 g2d" sounds better to my ears. Sometimes they play "A2a age" in the first bar of the B Part (giving a nice octave jump). Another alternative that works which they do not play is "B2e edB" in the 7th bar (of both parts), and/or sacrifice the hold on the B to throw in an extra d-note or e-note.

Variations from The Plankerdown’s album "The Jig Is Up", with Frank Maher on the accordion.

The "B2B GAB" in the 5th bar (both parts) can also be either "B2G GAB" and/or "B2A GAB". The 6th bar of the B Part could instead be "AFE D2F", and the 7th bar of the B Part could be "G2F FED".

Starts @ 2:30:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3cMup0DARo

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An old Cape Breton version with a march feel, titled "I Lost My Love" from Donald Angus Beaton. Amazing how this tune gets around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=uDtelRMgF9A

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From the playing of Graham Wells, Billy Sutton, Jason Whelan, Colin Carrigan, & Paddy Mackey, on the Island To Island album.

Setting from The Punters.