Llodrau Tynn slip jig

Also known as Another Jig Will Do, Chwisgi A Chwrw, Tight Breeches, Tight Britches, Whiskey And Beer, Whisky And Beer.

Llodrau Tynn has been added to 1 tune set.

Llodrau Tynn has been added to 19 tunebooks.

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Two settings

1
X: 1
T: Llodrau Tynn
R: slip jig
M: 9/8
L: 1/8
K: Dmix
|:ABA A2 G F2 G|A2 A A2 d cAG|ABA A2 G F2 G|Agf g>ed cAG:|
|:Add d2 e f3|A2 d dcA cAG|Add d2 e f2 g|a2 f ged cAG:|
2
X: 2
T: Llodrau Tynn
R: slip jig
M: 9/8
L: 1/8
K: Dmaj
|:ABA A2 G F2 G|ABA A2 B cBA|ABA A2 G F2 G|A2 d d2 c d3:|
A2 g f2 d e2 c|ABA A2 B c2 A|1 A2 g f2 d c2 A|A2 d d2 c d3:|
[2 d2 A A2 G F2 G|A2 d d2 c d3||

Eight comments

"Llodray Tynn" / "Tight Breeches"

A version of this can be found in Peter Kennedy’s collection:
"The Fiddler’s Tune-Book: Slip Jigs & Waltzes"
Dave Mallinson Publications, 1999
ISBN: 1-899512-51-9

Page 20, tune #84: "Tight Breeches" / "Whisky and Beer"

There are also some glaring similarities to other slip jigs:

"Another Jig Will Do" ~ slip jig
Key signature: D Major
Submitted on September 7th 2001 by jomac.
https://thesession.org/tunes/276

The A-part, bars 1 & 3

"Hardiman The Fiddler" ~ slip jig
Key signature: A Dorian
Submitted on May 25th 2001 by Jeremy.
https://thesession.org/tunes/48

The B-part

"Whiskey and Beer" / "Another Jig Will Do"

This tune appears in Ryan’s Mammoth Collection, 1883 and in Cole’s 1000 Fiddle Tunes, 1940, but more in the form many of us know as "Another Jig Will Do". Here’s a transcript of "Whiskey and Beer" from Ryan’s:

K: D Major
|: ABA A2 G F2 G | ABA A2 B cBA | ABA A2 G F2 G | A2 d d2 c d3 :|
A2 g f2 d e2 c | ABA A2 B c2 A |1 A2 g f2 d c2 A | A2 d d2 c d3 :|
2 d2 A A2 G F2 G | A2 d d2 c d3 ||

The transcript given here is not significantly different from that in the Peter Kennedy collection…

"Llodray Tynn" a pronunciation key

Hey, we’re in double L country now, but fear not, if you struggle you can do the daft thing all the newscasters in Britain do and pronounce it as if it were just another ‘L’…

Llodrau = breeches / britches
LL, here we go, think of it as a kind of hissing, but out the sides of your tongue, unaspirated, in other words, just the sound of rushing air. So, take the tip of your tongue and put it against that hard shelf just behind your upper front teeth, a kind of edge just before your upper mouth sweeps up in an arch to that soft bit above the togue in the back ~ hard and soft palate. With the tip of your tongue fixed there, blow so the air hisses both sides of the tongue ~ shhhhhhhhhhhh! All that it will sound like is escaping air, a hiss, if with a slight L-vishness about it and lower than the usual frontal hiss, more of a ‘(L) shiss’… 😉

Back to the pronunciation, but using that punctured tyre noise to start ~

sshh - ow (‘oh’) - dry
The first bit is like saying the English word ‘low’ but with a ‘shiss’ to start instead of an ‘L’…and the second bit is what you are after when you hang your laundry out on a sunny windy day on the line… Thinks ‘slow-dry’…

Tynn = tight
tin (the metal)

Note ~ correcting my confusion and intention above, in place of ‘aspirated’ and ‘unaspirated’ I had meant ‘voiced’ and ‘unvoiced’, referring to using or not using the vocal chords…

Key of Llodrau Tynn

The key is Dmix. Thus a simple harmonization is pretty easy:
||: D D D | D D C :|| (each chord/letter a dotted crotchet) works throughout. Revolving around A, with Amin as the central harmony (= Ador) works too, but I don´t find it as fluent.

D Mixolydian (A Dorian)

Right you are ‘Reelin’man’, thanks for the heads up… I prefer the D centralization myself to A Dorian… I only just realized the screw-up, G? ~ Weird, but not rare with me… It probably happened with making all the comparisons to related forms, not all listed here in the comments… 😎

The ‘A’ being the dominant of the ‘D’… (5th)