La Valse Des Pastouriaux waltz

Also known as Liouiugj.

There are 4 recordings of this tune.

La Valse Des Pastouriaux has been added to 3 tune sets.

La Valse Des Pastouriaux has been added to 32 tunebooks.

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Three settings

1
X: 1
T: La Valse Des Pastouriaux
R: waltz
M: 3/4
L: 1/8
K: Gmaj
D2 | ~G3A Bc | de dc BG | c2 cB AG | AB AF D2 |
~G3A Bc | de dc BG | cB AG FG | A4 :|
d2 | ed eg fa | ~g3d BG | cB AG FG | A2 ag fd |
[1 ed eg fa | ~g3d BG | cB AG FG | A4 :|
[2 e2 eg fa | ~g3d BG | cB AG DF | G4 ||
# Added by s.g. .
2
X: 2
T: La Valse Des Pastouriaux
R: waltz
M: 3/4
L: 1/8
K: Gmaj
D2|GF GA Bc|d2 dc BG|c2 cB AG|AB cB AF|
GF GA Bc|d2 dc BG| c2 cB AG|A4:|]
[|:d2|ed e2 f2|g3 d BG|c3 B AG|AB AG FD|
ed e2 f2|g3 d BG|c2 cB AG|A4:|]OxHG4|]
P:Variations (basic)
D2|~G3A Bc|de dc BG|c2 cB AG|AB cA FA|
~G3A Bc|de dc BG| c2 cB AG|A4:|]
[|:d2|ed e2 f2|g3 d BG|cB AG FG|AB Ag fd|
ed e2 f2|g3 d BG|cB AG FG|A4:|]
3
X: 3
T: La Valse Des Pastouriaux
R: waltz
M: 3/4
L: 1/8
K: Gmaj
D2|GF GA Bc|d2dc BG|c2cB AG|FE FG AD|
GF GA Bc|d2dc BG| c2cB AG|A4:|
|:d2|ed e2f2|g4Bd|cd cB AG|FG A2d2|
ed e2f2|g4Bd|cd cB AG|A4:|

Eighteen comments

I learned this one from Claus Steinort, a german flute player. And he learned it from the recording Fest-Noz by Pennou Skoulm. It was composed by Jackie Molard.

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I’m not sure if I transcribed it correctly as I learned it by ear on a session and not from the recording or dots/abc. Feel free to correct me.

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Waltz or is it a jig?

I presume you do know the difference.
Your abc’s are written as if you were transposing for a jig. i.e. 2 groups of triplets. If you want it as a waltz/mazurka then abc’s should be written in 3 pairs of quavers per bar.
Sounds right as jig so if that is the case amend your abc’s to state M: 6/8 and R: Jig.
We all need to know if the written music is as you intend.

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I wrote is as a jig first as I learned it as a jig. But as it’s named "valse", it must to be a walse. I will change the ABC for your convenience…

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waltz I mean. Too many different languages here. ABC grouping corrected.

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Now that’s kinda funny that you posted this tune. I played it a lot with Claus at numerous sessions in Hannover, in Hamm or at the Tionol in Proitze. I have worked out a fingerstyle arrangement for this tune years ago (no - it’s not the same stuff Soig is playing on the recording).

On the album, it is preceded by another waltz, La Valsounette, which I submitted here:

https://thesession.org/tunes/7714

Give Claus a big hug from me if you meet him!

Mario

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My convenience??

Voodoo, it’s not for my convenience but to get clarity of meaning.
If this is to be a waltz then it needs rewriting as a waltz as I have already implied. There would then be two quite distinct tunes.

Nothing wrong with using the word "valse" . If it is part of a dance title then use it without worry.

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Sorry, I was a bit upset since there is so many sub-sub-standard ABC notation here on session.org that gets praised to the skies but contains really serious errors or is simply completely unreadable. Wasn’t meant as an attack, hetty.

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No offence taken rest assured.

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Is 6/8 correct then? as the music here stands?

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No, it isn’t - the sheetmusic isn’t updated for some reason…the ABC notation is correct.

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I’m trying to get my hands on a copy of Fest-Noz, or at least of the Pastouriaux cut, to help with a book I’m working on. I’ve looked at every online used music seller I can find, and nothing. If you have a copy please please send me a note. Thanks!

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I learned this from marla fisbish cd.

X: 1
T: La Valse Des Pastouriaux
R: waltz

M: 3/4
L: 1/8
K: Gmaj
D2 | GFGA Bc | d2 dc BG | c2 cB AG | A2 FA DF |
GFGA Bc | d2 dc BG | c2 cB AG | A3 DEF |
GFGA Bc | d2 dc BG | c2 cB AG | A2 FA DF |
GFGA Bc | d2 dc BG | cB AG FG| A3 d2 |
ed e2 f2 | g3d BG | cB AG FG | AB AF D2 |
ed e2 f2 | g3d BG | cB AG FG | A3 gfd |
ed e2 f2 | g3d BG | cB AG FG | AB AF D2 |
ed e2 f2 | g3d BG | cB AG DF | G4 ||

Re: La Valse Des Pastouriaux

The original Pennou Skoulm track is now available on YouTube (as is the entire album): https://youtu.be/-5anRz-OFi8


The original transcription given in this thread is different in quite a few melodic details from the core melody as played (much ornamented/varied) by Pennou Skoulm - doubtless it has mutated in aural transmission. I’ll try to add a transcription based on the original soon…

Re: La Valse Des Pastouriaux

As promised….
The first setting I’ve given is approximately how the fiddles play the tune in the 3rd and melodically simplest iteration of the tune in the Pennoù Skoulm recording. The Variations setting reflects more of the guitar and pipes renditions in the 1st & 2nd iterations. There are many details - links, runs, ornaments, and other variations in those and the other ensemble iterations which I have not attempted to notate.

X:2
T:La Valse des Pastouriaux
C:Jacky Molard ©
O:Breizh
D:Pennoù Skoulm ‎– Fest-Noz: Escalibur ‎– CD 854 (1994 expanded and remastered reissue of “Pennoù Skoulm” Coop Breizh, 1990) & cf https://youtu.be/-5anRz-OFi8

N:Played by Pennoù Skoulm after "La Valsounette" (https://thesession.org/tunes/7714).
Z:Jem Hammond 22:7:2020
R: Waltz
Q:3/4=70
M:3/4
L:1/8
K:G
D2|GF GA Bc|d2 dc BG|c2 cB AG|AB cB AF|
GF GA Bc|d2 dc BG| c2 cB AG|A4:|]
[|:d2|ed e2 f2|g3 d BG|c3 B AG|AB AG FD|
ed e2 f2|g3 d BG|c2 cB AG|A4:|]OxHG4|]
P:Variations (basic)
D2|~G3A Bc|de dc BG|c2 cB AG|AB cA FA|
~G3A Bc|de dc BG| c2 cB AG|A4:|]
[|:d2|ed e2 f2|g3 d BG|cB AG FG|AB Ag fd|
ed e2 f2|g3 d BG|cB AG FG|A4:|]

La Valse Des Pastouriaux, X:2

A more accurate, unadulterated transcription of the melodic bones of the original Pennoù Skoulm recording (1990). The first setting given is approximately how the fiddles play the tune in the 3rd and melodically simplest iteration of the tune. The Variations setting reflects more of the guitar and pipes renditions in the 1st & 2nd iterations. There are many links, ornaments, runs and other variations and harmonies in those and the other full ensemble iterations which I have not attempted to notate.

Oooops, sorry for the sort-of duplicate post! I should have added the notation *before* posting my comment about it above.

Oh, and it’s definitely a waltz, not a jig, even at the high tempo Pennoù Skoulm play it at - definitely 3 (couplets) in the bar, not 2 (triplets).

La Valse Des Pastouriaux, X:3

I transcribed this from the CD. It says it was written by Jackie Molard. It’s a cracking album. All great tunes.

Re: La Valse Des Pastouriaux

Interesting, Andy. I too was working from the (agreed, wonderful) original Pennoù Skoulm recording - and I don’t at all hear one or two details you’ve got, even allowing that there’s a lot of variation between the different iterations and instruments/players and that to some extent any transcription is going to be a pick-‘n-mix job.