“The Miners of Wicklow” ~ before someone shouts ‘duplication’
Yes, I know, but ~ it is a difficult decision whether or not a tune is significantly different enough to deserve a placement of its own, up front rather than in the ‘comments’. I have been weighing that up and have decided to give this a go. Why? Well, it has, in my mind, significant difference to the other version given here on site:
"The Miners Of Wicklow"
Key signature: D Major
Submitted on December 11th 2006 by the wounded hussar.
Though it is closer to Will CPT’s setting in the comments:
I first learned this version from the McCusker Brothers, John in particular. I thought it might also be interesting to see how it has changed over time, if not by much. So, thanks to a generous friend, I recieved a copy of their early commercial recording of this, a set of jigs:
"Miners of Wicklow" / "Fasten the Leg" / "Old Man’s Delight"
Here’s a transcription from that recording to compare with my take on it:
T: Miners of Wicklow
|: G |\
F2 A AB=c | BAB G2 A | BGE EFG | AFD D2 G |
FAA AB=c | BAB G2 A | Bcd ecA | d3 d2 :|
|: g |\
fdf fdf | ece ece | fdf fdf | aba a2 g |
fdf fdf | ece ecA | Bcd ecA | d3 d2 :|
I sometimes throw in a second ending for the B-part ~
[1 d3 d2 :|[2 d2 c B2 G |]
~ or ~ |[2 d2 c BAG |] ~ or ~ |[2 d2 c B2 A |]
“The Miners of Wicklow” ~ a few other possibilities
I sometimes slip into a more bouncy way with this, more single jig, and with that treatment in the lead-ins and final measures, or ~
|: B2 A | ~ | d2 A :| & |: B2 g | ~ | d2 A :|
Here’s that with a few other possibilities ~
T: Miners Of Wicklow, The
|: B2 A |\
F2 A AB=c | B^AB G3 | BGE E2 G | AFD D2 G |
FAA AA/B/=c | B^AB G2 =A | Bcd e2 A | d2 A :|
|: B2 g |\
f2 d fdf | e2 c ec/d/e | f2 d fd/e/f | a^ga b2 =g |
fdf f2 A | ece e2 A | BB/c/d e2 A | d3 :|
Well, sounds like a bit of different setting to me. All I can add is that the original version posted https://thesession.org/tunes/6497
is what is played locally as far as I can see these days and I practically live in Wicklow.
The McCusker Brothers lived up north of you… ;-)
I did catch the occassional session in Wicklow, enjoying escaping there for a walk and contemplation, and some pub where they aged the bottled Guinness… But, I don’t remember ever playing this one there. As said, I learned this take on it elsewhere and was interested in and enjoyed the differences between the two…
Oops! ~ says something for my fried brain, I forgot to add a link. Thanks for the reminder WH…
It is not a duplication
They have the same name & I get dizzy!
Something like this could happen with any number of tunes.
[That is not a suggestion c.]
I would prefer different versions be added in the comments.
Dear WH, by a tune’s name, say "The Dublin Reel", I’m generally no more or less interested in a take from a Dubliner than from a French speaking Accadian from Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine, or a Metis fiddler, or so-and-so from Astoria, Washington in the Pacific Northwest of the U.S.A…. The differences would especially light my passion and interest…
Mostly, or at least as often as I’ve contributed something like this on its own, I add ‘alternate takes’ in the ‘comments’ to the earliest contribution of a tune. Several such contributions have been made over the last few days, other tunes from the McCuskers. I gave this, "The Miners of Wicklow", some thought, playing both tunes, this and your contribution, before submitting it seperately. If it had gone "Poof!", well, I’d have had to add it and the notes to the ‘comments’ for your contribution. Adding this here was not meant as a slur on your efforts, with respect. I am interested in both and think both are different enough to warrant a seperate place on their own, whether or not they originate from the place name in the title… In the end it is left to the spirit of this site, Jeremy’s decision…
The McCusker recording of this would have also been distributed and well known in North America, the U.S. & Canada, as well as Ireland, it got a lot of air time as the McCusker Ceili Band did a lot of gigs, played for a lot of dancing, being much more than just recording artists…
At least you did not call it The Wicklow
A tune is no less a tune because of where one finds it.
How many "Wicklow’s"? Yesterday, merely by chance I was searching for the "Wicklow Hornpipe" (aka Delahunty’s) Guess what I got in the results.
“The Wicklow March” / “The Wicklow’s March” - the history bit - 1777
~ just to make it more difficult for Ben. ;-)
Giles Gibbs, Junior - his book for the fife
Ellington, Connecticut, 1777
Also published as "Giles Gibbs, Jr.: His Book for the Fife"
Edited from the original manuscript by Kate Van Winkle Keller
The Connecticut Historical Society
Hartford, Connecticut, 1974
page 13 ~ "The Wicklow’s March"
T: The Wicklow’s March
T: The Wicklow March
S: Giles Gibbs Jr.’s book for the fife, 1777
|: D |\
FGA AB=c | BGB AFA | BGE EGE | AFD DFD |
FGA AB=c | BGB AFA | Bcd ecA | d3 d2 :|
|: g |\
fdf fdf | ece ece | fdf fdf | geg geg |
fdf fdf | ecA AcA | Bcd ecA | d3 d2 :|
Very different version
I have a very different version of the tune learned in Donegal:
T: The Miners Of Wicklow
|: D |F2 A AB=c | dAF AFD | G/A/B G E3 | F/G/A F DAD | F2 A Ace |
dcB A3 | Bcd efg |1 fAG FED :|2 fdc dag ||
| f2 d f2 d | e3 eag | f/g/a f d3 | g/a/b g e3 |
f3 gab | afd cBA | B2 d efg | edc dag | fdd fdd |
ecA efg | faf d3 | gbg e3 | f3 g2 b | afd cBA |Bcd efg | fAG FED||
error in above entry
I’ve just realised the first ‘c’ should be sharp not natural. I have corrected it in the setting at the top of the page.
Interesting, thanks for the transcription Niall. I’ve enjoyed giving it some time. Who did you pick it up from, or where?
Miners Of Wicklow
Was just listening to Joey Abarta play this in an online concert the other day - it’s on his CD, a piping setting from Patsy Touhey, which was included in the Piping of PT book. I’ll add that if you don’t beat me to it, ceol. It’s markedly different than these book settings.
“Joey Abarta: Swimming Against the Falls / Snámh in Aghaidh Easa”
Miners Of Wicklow
X:7 from Patsy Touhey, as promised/threatened. Can’t find the book! So going by memory/ear. I hear Patsy, or "Oh Bajayzus!" as the kids in Brooklyn used to call him - his favorite expression, apparently - throw in a backstitch on the middle d here and there, and maybe quadruplets as a variation in the 2nd part, (4fgaf (4gaba instead of plain jane faf gbg, as he also did in other jigs, Jackson’s Morning Brush for instance.
X: 8 “The Miners of Wicklow” :-D
B: "The Piping of Patsy Touhey" by Pat Mitchell & Jackie Small, page 81, tune #38 - simplified
It seems we’ve both had a go at ‘simplifying’ Pat Mitchell’s transcription of this one, you from memory, I’m impressed, and me from the page… Mitchell’s transcription is twice through each part complete, with lots of additional bits. I went looking for my recording of Patsy Tohey’s take on it, but it’s not quite accessible at this time. I’ll get a listen later and see how it goes with the book’s transcription. I’ve a ‘first edition’, and I don’t know if there have been any changes in later releases of the book. Pat has created some of his own notations for certain aspects of pipe technique. It’s a shame I haven’t the Joey Abarta recording as I’d have worked off of that instead, from listening, as I prefer to do.
Miners Of Wicklow
Looks good, that oughta keep ‘em out of trouble as they say. The tight AcA triplet is bread and butter in piping, you only have to lift one finger for each note, hence the choice of c instead of B. Touhey even describes this in his "Hints For Amateur Pipers" that was included as an appendix in O’Neill’s book Irish Music: A Fascinating Hobby. The backstitch is more obscure, Patsy kept that one under his hat. It’s basically a triplet played with two fingers of one hand and one of the other; the other hand note is the "target," the two fingers played by the other hand remain the same from note to note; thus GFd GFc GFB GFA for notes in the upper/left hand of the chanter. The lower/right hand plays the notes from G to D and those are backstitched in similar fashion.
A local flute player is quite taken with the old records of Tom Morrison; I was telling him how Morrison also played the pipes, and there’s even a disc of him duetting with Coleman, we know the titles but no one has found a copy; one of the jigs is "The Piper’s Backstitch."
How I’d love to catch an earful of that. I have been tempted to the piping side, repeatedly, constant, in part to understand it more and raise my respect for it. It would have to be a flat set. Unfortunately the price and finances prohibit such fancies, though I have been known to peruse measurements, plans… :-D Maybe some day…