Patsy Geary’s jig

A fiddle player in our session, Rachelle, got this tune from Willie Kelly, who called it Patsy Geary’s, and told Rachelle it was in a book he had. I have googled the ABC’s in every possible search engine, including the newest one and can’t find any reference to this tune. It is obviously not the Patsy Geary’s (Yellow Rose of Texas) that the Bothy Band played. So, any ideas?

Sounds more like just plain G to me—that’s where I hear it wanting to resolve to.

I agree Will. Just because it ends on a D doesn’t make that necessarily the Key/Tonic. Right through it feel like it is trying to resolve to a G. Nice tune though. I feel sure I have heard it before somewhere but no clues coming through at the moment. Someone needs to stick the abc into the "Rev Counter" - I just thought that would be a great name for Rev’s ABC engine. Sorry if that offends anyone’s sense of lame joke humour.

X: 2
T: Patsy Geary’s
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K: Gmaj
|: D |\
B2 B BcA | BGE G2 D |GAF GB/c/d | ecA AA/B/c |
B^AB Bc=A | BGE G3 | BB/c/d ecA | AGF G2 :|
|: D |\
AA/A/A ABA | GED D2 D | E^DE c2 A | BGE EE/F/G |
A^GA Ac/B/A | GED D3 | BB/c/d ecA | AGF G2 :|

That’s where it took me after spending some time with it… It’s familiar but I wasn’t able to pin it down further…

~ which one of us surely must have? I’ll do a search later…

sounds a bit vague to me, but to my ear it pulls more towards E than G. I’m not implying that G or D is wrong, just the way I hear it. However, I’m content to let it float about ambiguously. (I’m refering to the originally posted version; ceol’s is clearly on the G side of things.)

First part G to me
Second part D mix, to me.

The tune did come from Patsy Geary, through John Kelly. John didn’t have a name for it. Breandan Breathnach, when including the tune from John Kell’s playing in CRE1, christened it ‘The Horseshoe’, after Kelly’s shop in Capel street. The name has stuck since.

Thanks Kilfarboy, there’s a chance I might have a recording of John Kelly playing this I can transcribe from. If I do, I’ll add it here…

It’s nr 52 in CRE1

X: 52
T: An Crú Capaill
T: Horse Shoe, The
T: Horseshoe, The
S: "Ceol Rince na hEireann I", tune #52
L: 1/8
M: 6/8
R: jig
K: Gmaj
|: B3 B2 G | BGE G3 | G3 GBd | eAA ABc |
BcA BcA | BGE G2 A | Bcd ecA | GEE DEG :|
|: A3 ABA | GEE DED | GED c2 A | GEE DEG |
A2 G A2 G | GED DEG | Bcd ecA | GEE DEG :|

http://www.orpheusweb.co.uk/gatherer/music.html

Ceol Rince na hÉireann I - V
http://www.orpheusweb.co.uk/gatherer/scottish/CRE/index.html

Ceol Rince na hÉireann I
http://www.orpheusweb.co.uk/gatherer/scottish/CRE/cre1.html

52. An Crú Capaill [The Horse Shoe, i.e., the name of John Kelly’s shop in Capel Street, Dublin]: Kelly had no name on this; myself that christened it. [from John Kelly, fiddle]

Thanks to Kilfarboy & Nigel…

This is the route to the CRE pages on my website:
http://www.nigelgatherer.com/books/CRE/index.html

And, while I happily house these pages on my site, all praise, kudos and thanks should go to Paul de Grae, who translated the material from Gaelic, compiled much of the alternative names and sources, and gave me permission to publish on the web. Paul is an asset to any discussion on Irish music, and is always worth listening to. It’s our loss that he apparently doesn’t frequent thesession.org.

Thanks for the information on this tune. It has become a recent "favorite" at our session.

Steve

Does anybody know if this is the "Patsy Geary’s" played by John Kelly on this recording?
https://thesession.org/recordings/display/3057
If so, it’s interesting that he recorded it on fiddle and Breathnach got it from him on fiddle, since it seems so well suited for the C row of a concertina (the CRE version).

Sorry NIgel, semi-conscious… For some reason I ended up with those Opheus Web pages? It should have clicked, as I knew that usually your name showed in the address previously, curious…& forgetting to credit Paul de Grae…

Gary, sadly, I haven’t access to my LPs or I’d check "Seoda Ceoil", but I think I may have it recorded by John Kelly elswhere. It would be a kick if it is on concertina. I haven’t found it yet, but then I’m doing work for others at the moment… 😏

X: 1
T: Patsy Geary’s
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K: Dmaj
|:AB2 BcA |BGE B2D | GAG GBd | ecA ABc |
ABB BcA |BGE G2A | Bcd ecA |GED D(3EFG||
|:A3 ABA | GED D3 | E^DE EcA | GED DEG |
A3 ABA | GED D3 | Bcd ecA | GED D3 ||

X: 1
T: Patsy Geary’s
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K: Dmaj
|:AB2 BcA |BGE G2D | GAG GBd | ecA ABc |
ABB BcA |BGE G2A | Bcd ecA |GED D(3EFG||
|:A3 ABA | GED D3 | E^DE EcA | GED DEG |
A3 ABA | GED D3 | Bcd ecA | GED D3 ||

X: 1
T: An Crú Capaill
T: The Horseshoe
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K:A
f2f fge| fdB d2A|ded d (3fga| fge efg|
f2f fge| fdB d2e|fga age|1 edB A3:|2 edB A (3Bcd|
e2e efe|dBA A2A|BAB g2e|f (3ddd Bcd|
e2e efe|dBA A2e|fga age|1 edB A (3Bcd:|2 edB A3:|

Correction: K: Amixolydian or Dmajor, of course + Part 2 repeated twice only.

X: 5
T: An Crú Capaill
T: The Horseshoe
Z: birlibirdie
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K: AMix
|: f2 f fge | fdB d2 A | ded df/g/a | fge efg |
f2 f fge | fdB d2 e | fga age |[1 edB A3 :|[2 edB AB/c/d ||
|: e2 e efe | dBA A2 A | BAB g2 e | fd/d/d Bcd |
e2 e efe | dBA A2 e | fga age |[1 edB AB/c/d :|[2 edB A3 |]

Do you still hate hornpipes?

Yes, I’m VERY interested in your "fully referenced list of such lilts and ditties"!!! 😉

Moved tooo soon, it’s not A Mixolydian. It is D Major…

Here’s a clean up of the original, which birlibirdie’s transcription reminded me of, being very similar ~ this time with the correct Major key and reduced to repetitions with 1st and 2nd endings as with birliebirdie’s ~

X: 1
T: An Crú Capaill
T: Horseshoe, The
T: Patsy Geary’s
Z: stevebenn
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
R: jig
K: GMaj
|: B2 B BcA | BGE G2 D | GAG GB/c/d | ecA ABc |
B2 B BcA | BGE G2 A | Bcd ecA |[1 AGE D3 :|[2 AGE DE/F/G ||
|: A2 A ABA | GED D2 D | EDE c2 A | BG/G/G EFG |
A2 A ABA | GED D2 A | Bcd ecA |[1 AGE DE/F/G :|[2 AGE D3 |]

Omg the match.com side of trad!

ceolachan <3 birlibirdie

:D

I learned this tune as "John Kelly’s Single Jig" like this:

X: 1
T: John Kelly’s (Single Jig)
R: Slide
M: 12/8
L: 1/8
K: Gmaj
|:B3 B2A BGE G3|G3 GBd ecA ABc|B/c/dA B/c/dA BGE G2A|Bcd ecA GED DEG:||
|:A3 ABA GED DED|EDE c2A BFE DEG|A3 A/B/cA GED DED|Bcd ecA GED DEG:||